Rewriting Mountain Bike History?
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Oh my god the French invented mountain biking 20 years before Disney rewrote history !
Chopper the ex Copper
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Who cares, just so long as the Americans wernt first.
That said, before long there'll be a film in which Jon Bon Jovi steals an Enigma machine from Hitler while rising a 650B Breezer from 1932...
That said, before long there'll be a film in which Jon Bon Jovi steals an Enigma machine from Hitler while rising a 650B Breezer from 1932...
Always interesting. There is a date line here that doesn't exactly match the above quoted dates:
http://www.nokiantyres.com/history-in-brief also, Nokian is now just a brand name for the company
Suomen Rengastehdas Oy that is making the bike tyres http://www.suomityres.fi/
In all this, there seems to be an overly important link (IMHO) between the off-road bike / MTB and the tire offerings from Nokia. Sure that the Nokia's would have a deeper tread for snowy conditions but weren't there equal or good enough offerings from Michelin, Dunlop, Bridgestone etc being already used at the time (like those French chaps)?
http://www.nokiantyres.com/history-in-brief also, Nokian is now just a brand name for the company
Suomen Rengastehdas Oy that is making the bike tyres http://www.suomityres.fi/
In all this, there seems to be an overly important link (IMHO) between the off-road bike / MTB and the tire offerings from Nokia. Sure that the Nokia's would have a deeper tread for snowy conditions but weren't there equal or good enough offerings from Michelin, Dunlop, Bridgestone etc being already used at the time (like those French chaps)?
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Just found a flickr link regarding a bike in a museum at Longmont Colorado.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/turbojams/5039804655/
The bike is a replica of an English Rough-Stuff bike dated to 1978. These Rough-Stuff bikes often used strongly spoked 650b wheels and were produced as one-offs by various UK frame builders. Apparently from the fifties onwards?
The Caption on the exhibit reads:
"Before his time: John Finlay-Scott
John Finlay-Scott began converting bicycles for off road use in the 1950's, 30 years before companies began to mass produce mountain bikes".
"John commissioned John Padgett of Nevada City to build the frame of this bicycle for him to ride in the mountains. It is one of eight originals that came to be known as "Woodsies".
It is otherwise equipped with off the shelf components including 650b wheels and cantilever brakes".
"650b Bicycle
1950s
Courtesy of Cupertino Bike Shop, Cupertino California."
This sounds to be very similar to the 1977 bike that Tom Ritchey says that he was asked to make by John Finlay Scott in 1977?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/turbojams/5039804655/
The bike is a replica of an English Rough-Stuff bike dated to 1978. These Rough-Stuff bikes often used strongly spoked 650b wheels and were produced as one-offs by various UK frame builders. Apparently from the fifties onwards?
The Caption on the exhibit reads:
"Before his time: John Finlay-Scott
John Finlay-Scott began converting bicycles for off road use in the 1950's, 30 years before companies began to mass produce mountain bikes".
"John commissioned John Padgett of Nevada City to build the frame of this bicycle for him to ride in the mountains. It is one of eight originals that came to be known as "Woodsies".
It is otherwise equipped with off the shelf components including 650b wheels and cantilever brakes".
"650b Bicycle
1950s
Courtesy of Cupertino Bike Shop, Cupertino California."
This sounds to be very similar to the 1977 bike that Tom Ritchey says that he was asked to make by John Finlay Scott in 1977?
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Woz":2i30v3ev said:
According to Geoff Apps, Gary Fisher and Charlie Kelly the Nokia Hakkapelittas were the only known aggressively treaded tyres available in these big sizes at the time. Their 650x54b tyres were apparently produced for military use and would not fit most ordinary bicycle frames and forks used throughout Europe.
As for the time line for Nokia Hakkapeliitta bicycle tyre production that modern webpage date of 1974 slightly contradicts the one given relating to the introduction of Hakkapeliitta snow and ice models in their 1978 brochure. The range of snow and ice tyres listed grew slowly from their initial introduction between 1975 & 78.
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Helkama, the Finnish company that made 650x54b tyred bikes for the Finnish Army still exist.
And they still manufacture a version of their fat tyred army bike.
http://www.helkamavelox.fi/en/models/me ... 3nhr_arv_k
I do not know the date when these fat tyred utility bikes were first produced. However I expect that they were probably around along time before Nokia began to produce aggressively treaded show 54mm wide tyres for them in the early 1980s.
I strongly suspect that the origin of the the English Clelands, and then early 650b Marin bikes is to be found here. The common link being that they all used wide 650b, Nokian' Hakkapeliitta snow tyres.
And they still manufacture a version of their fat tyred army bike.
http://www.helkamavelox.fi/en/models/me ... 3nhr_arv_k
I do not know the date when these fat tyred utility bikes were first produced. However I expect that they were probably around along time before Nokia began to produce aggressively treaded show 54mm wide tyres for them in the early 1980s.
I strongly suspect that the origin of the the English Clelands, and then early 650b Marin bikes is to be found here. The common link being that they all used wide 650b, Nokian' Hakkapeliitta snow tyres.
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