RetroBike trolls, be counted

[highlandsflyer]

What is the beef here?

It is as easy as pie to register multiple accounts.

Why though?

...and why worry about it?

 

[Neil]

Ah, so you're doing it "for the good of the community".

I think that sums up my motives pretty well. Sometimes I bite my tongue for the same reason.

Do you think the squabbling that such discussions and divisions it appears to reinforce, are also good for the commuity?

How many BOTM threads, and BOTM fallout threads have had the same or similar discontent raised?

I mean, FFS, it all just sounds so bitter.

Yeah, you're just pointing it out. Just putting it in the background. But really, you don't care - it's all just a proxy for others who've been done wrong.

Clearly, I care enough about it to want to see it discussed, but my stake in seeing the competition run fairly is that of a spectator, not a competitor. I'm not a boxer, but I always prefer to watch a fair fight.

Well I have dabbled in the ring as a younger man (not in any professional, or serious manner, mind).

And had my nose - and other bits - bloodied several times.

And like you, as a spectator, I like to see a fair fight.

But I also like to see good clean fun, without repeated bitterness and resentment rearing it's head, over and over.

Sometimes, it does need it to come out in the open, and a good old ding-dong, and then be done with it. Not creepy, snide digs cropping up, over and over and over and over...

 

[one-eyed_jim]

Do you think the squabbling that such discussions and divisions it appears to reinforce, are also good for the commuity?

That's why I sometimes bite my tongue, and it's why I generally walk away from threads you get involved in. On the other hand, if other members seem willing to discuss the issues, why not discuss them?

How many BOTM threads, and BOTM fallout threads have had the same or similar discontent raised?

Several. The result has been a much-needed (in my opinion) change to the voting system.

I mean, FFS, it all just sounds so bitter.

I honestly think something's colouring your reading. There are moments of bitterness, true, but a lot of it is laugh-out-loud funny. Unless we're reading different threads, of course.

Sometimes, it does need it to come out in the open, and a good old ding-dong, and then be done with it. Not creepy, snide digs cropping up, over and over and over and over...

What "creepy, snide digs"?

 

[Neil]

Do you think the squabbling that such discussions and divisions it appears to reinforce, are also good for the commuity?

That's why I sometimes bite my tongue, and it's why I generally walk away from threads you get involved in. On the other hand, if other members seem willing to discuss the issues, why not discuss them?

Discussing them and dealing with it are one thing.

Having the same innuendo made, over and over doesn't appear to be fixing anything, moving it forward, or doing anything more than reinforcing the underlying disenfranchisement.

Your previous reply suggested you were discussing it "for the good of the community", and this reply ("That's why...") suggests you accept that the repeated labouring of this theme isn't good for the community.

How many BOTM threads, and BOTM fallout threads have had the same or similar discontent raised?

Several. The result has been a much-needed (in my opinion) change to the voting system.

Which most appeared to agree with.

Yet there's still mileage in these insinuations of underhandedness?

I mean, FFS, it all just sounds so bitter.

I honestly think something's colouring your reading. There are moments of bitterness, true, but a lot of it is laugh-out-loud funny. Unless we're reading different threads, of course.

If you concede "There are moments of bitterness, true" then what are you really arguing about, there?

Sometimes, it does need it to come out in the open, and a good old ding-dong, and then be done with it. Not creepy, snide digs cropping up, over and over and over and over...

What "creepy, snide digs"?

Oh, FFS, this entire thread, the comments on the previous BOTM threads, and fallout threads - that became so sniping, posts were deleted from the BOTM thread, and a different voting system imposed.

So those creepy, snide digs.

 

[highlandsflyer]

Jesus.

 

[Neil]

Jesus.

The guy from The Big Lebowski?

Or the other one?

'cos I don't think either care about whether people have been using more than one account, sock puppetry, or trying to sneak in extra votes in BOTM.

 

[one-eyed_jim]

Having the same innuendo made, over and over doesn't appear to be fixing anything, moving it forward, or doing anything more than reinforcing the underlying disenfranchisement.

I don't know if Rob had a specific reason for starting this thread now, but where's the harm in it? Probably better to have it now than during the BotM vote. Personally I find it a very interesting subject. "One man - one vote" is no disenfranchisement. Anything that subverts it is.

Your previous reply suggested you were discussing it "for the good of the community", and this reply ("That's why...") suggests you accept that the repeated labouring of this theme isn't good for the community.

Exactly. There's a balance to be struck. It doesn't surprise me that we disagree on where that point of balance is to be found.

If you concede "There are moments of bitterness, true" then what are you really arguing about, there?

I'm asserting my disagreement with your claim that the dominant tone is one of bitterness, obviously.

What "creepy, snide digs"?

Oh, FFS, this entire thread, the comments on the previous BOTM threads, and fallout threads - that became so sniping, posts were deleted from the BOTM thread, and a different voting system imposed.

So those creepy, snide digs.

I really don't get what you think is creepy or snide about this thread. Do you mean marin man insinuating that I might know sinnerman's sister?

:?

 

[sinnerman]

Then you have the case of a group of close friends all posting from the same computer while, quite innocently, pretending not to know one another, one of them typing for the other two. There's nothing in the rules about that, and it's been shown to be a strong alibi for any analysis based on IP address.





The sad truth of this matter............ :roll:

A new member, and a total virgin to the forum world, joins a website...!!!! after being encouraged by an active member, of the website, its a great place to be, with a top bunch of fellas.

this is me.

the real fact is, i may have been a forum virgin when i joined, but im not a bicycle virgin, but someone who has spent his best years in the bicycle trade in one guise or another.

understandably with 20 years of bicycle experience behind me..... a good workshop...... and national forestry commission land next door with amazing forest and tracks to ride, on a daily basis, bikes are still a massive part of my life.........and naturally this brings with it the chance to meet new riders, and/or encourage people to ride.

when you ride, im sure you will agree there are chances to chat, and talk about bikes etc, ............, and yes, i certainly am guilty of praising john and the retrobike website and the enjoyment i get from being a member around these parts, and the fullfillment i get from retro bicycles.

And yes i am guilty of encouraging several people to join and take look, a better look at what oldskool bikes have to offer, instead of just being brainwashed by the media and spending mega bucks on mental modern bikes.

Three people who have come back after an evening ride, and refreshments, who sit discussing retrobikes, and using the retrobike website together, on one laptop, is "NOT" the same as one person with 3 accounts.

And i for one, certainly had no clue, that any 3 people in a room using a laptop, and enjoying a website, was in any way breaking any rules.

However, accusations of one member with multiple accounts were cast, and shouted........and wrongly so...!!!! these incorrect assumptions were sorted by john, who, did get to the bottom of the matter very quickly, and establish that there were 3 users using the the same laptop, on this one occasion.


Sorry but thats fact..... get over it. :roll:

As for the multiple accounts/one member question......does it go on....????, ...... Yes it does........a sad fact but true.

The sad act, that thought it would be clever to open 3 accounts in the name of sinnermans mum, sinnermans dad, and sinnermans sister, should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves..... It was totally transparant. This totally childish behaviour, should have stayed in your playground as a kid..........!!!!!!

I was told, by a better man than me.... to "rise above it"........which i did... but i will say im very pleased with the botm, changes,.........im confident it will stop all the babylike playground nonsense that was becoming a regular thing.

Happy dayz...............

 

[highlandsflyer]

I support what you are saying Sinner.

I am often to be found gathered around a laptop in the middle of nowhere with a half dozen mates.

I use every last one though, over the course of a night.

 

[one-eyed_jim]

Three people who have come back after an evening ride, and refreshments, who sit discussing retrobikes, and using the retrobike website together, on one laptop, is "NOT" the same as one person with 3 accounts.

Absolutely! But from the point of view an IP analysis there's no difference. It's common enough for several housemates to share a computer or router that there's no practical means of distinguishing individual users by IP address. That was the point I was making to Rob.

However, accusations of one member with multiple accounts were cast, and shouted........and wrongly so...!!!! these incorrect assumptions were sorted by john, who, did get to the bottom of the matter very quickly, and establish that there were 3 users using the the same laptop, on this one occasion.

I wish he'd let me know. I went several months assuming you were all the same person.

The sad act, that thought it would be clever to open 3 accounts in the name of sinnermans mum, sinnermans dad, and sinnermans sister, should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves..... It was totally transparant. This totally childish behaviour, should have stayed in your playground as a kid..........!!!!!!

I disagree. If I'd been responsible (and I wasn't, incidentally) I wouldn't have gone about it in quite that way. But the point needed to be made: the system was too open to abuse to assume it wasn't going on. I do take the point that it might not have looked so amusing from your point of view though.

i will say im very pleased the botm, changes,.........im confident it will stop all the babylike playground nonsense that was becoming a regular thing.

My suspicion is that PM voting blocks will become more prominent. But we'll see. Life's big adventure.