On-One: Fat Chancer retro steel frame

[orange71]

Now I'm not suggesting that On-One's are pigs here

Blue Pig

 

[shedfire]

I was "inspired" by Fat Chance's chainstay ends when I needed to design an end cap for our TD-1 frame... Hope nobody is offended by this

From email's I can see I was looking at the Fat Chancer "idea" when I was at on-one, around 2006, and I do remember getting a drawing done, but for several reasons, nothing came of it.
I had a Yo BITD and liked it very much, and, now I think about it, the plate between the top of the seatstays on the Ragley is also a Yo Eddy, er, "rip off"? Though the Yo had a seatstay bridge, and I don't have one.

Ah - and Ragley run constant diameter rear stays too, rather than tapered ones... oh. Another FC concept.

Hmm. I bet I'm going to get my head kicked in now :-(

 

[Andy R]

I'm just trying to work out which bit of the point Andy R has apparently missed ;-)

I have a history of missing just about every point possible :roll: .

But I think I'll go for a ride now and not worry about it .

 

[Neil G]

Ok let me explain myself as I wasn't clear apparently

I meant this discussion was never about whether Taiwanese made frames have a right to exist. Of course they do, I think few people would disagree with that. The point is that naming your product after another product that's got absolutely nothing in common with your product is a lame thing to do, especially if your product is of inferior quality compared to the product you're naming it after.

I have nothing against the bike, it's the marketing I have a problem with.

+1 I think that sums up my feeling towards it, I know it's supposed to be 'quirky' & comical calling a frame that but to me it comes across as being highly lame lol

 

[kaiser]

I think I'll wrap up my involvement in this thread by saying that I don't think a modern Yo eddy inspired frame would be a bad idea. But I don't think On one are the people to do it. As I've said before I have nothing against them or Taiwanese manufacturing, I have on one bars and planet x wheels and I'm even considering their new carbon 29er. I just don't think they have the pedigree or lineage to produce a modern Fat Chance. And lets be honest as much as Fat Chance is about performance its also about rarity and exclusivity, even if they employed the highest QC and most modern fusion techniques the still couldn't replicate the cache or appeal to the bike snobs amongst us. They produce innovative(?) product but always at a price point. Could they do it? If they approached Indy Fab for instance and commissioned 100 frames and asked them to use the same attention to detail they might appease the bike snobs and geeks and garner a bit of kudo's. Doesn't sound like a great business plan to me but then again neither would approaching Lynskey to build Ti frames for them.

 

[MikeD]

I'd still like a modern but retro geometry frame, with disc mounts but designed for a ~400mm rigid fork. Well, I say "like", I expect I'd ride it twice and then it'd gather dust in the shed ;-) But I like the idea.

 

[cchris2lou]

I was "inspired" by Fat Chance's chainstay ends when I needed to design an end cap for our TD-1 frame... Hope nobody is offended by this

From email's I can see I was looking at the Fat Chancer "idea" when I was at on-one, around 2006, and I do remember getting a drawing done, but for several reasons, nothing came of it.
I had a Yo BITD and liked it very much, and, now I think about it, the plate between the top of the seatstays on the Ragley is also a Yo Eddy, er, "rip off"? Though the Yo had a seatstay bridge, and I don't have one.

Ah - and Ragley run constant diameter rear stays too, rather than tapered ones... oh. Another FC concept.

Hmm. I bet I'm going to get my head kicked in now :-(

not all , most people are annoyed at the fact that On One are using the name fat chance . surely using the features of great frames into modern ones is a good thing .

 

[The Ken]

I think - and I'll be corrected if I am wrong, the problem here is using Fat chance as a Marketing tool and not copying the main features and quality of build that fat chance created BITD, if on one had created a carefully hand built frame made by dedicated craftsman (and that doesn't rule out taiwan) with perfect welding, similar tubing styles and modernised fat chance geometry, the roasting might have been lessened.

Nothing wrong with taking good design details and carrying them forward to new bikes, that is progression in my view and how the bike evolves.

Unless of course you are a huge multi-national and wait on a small company going under so you can use it's patents with out any outlay, but that is another thread.

 

[john]

This thread deserves a thread of it's own to analyse it. Seems a few view points and agendas have been put forward.

Nothing wrong with taking good design details and carrying them forward to new bikes, that is progression in my view and how the bike evolves.

Well said. Nobody is going to give anyone 'a kicking' for this. If however you had named that particular model the 'Ragley Yo Eddy' or somesuch things might be different.

Wonder if anyone from On-One has seen this and would care to comment?

 

[drystonepaul]

I was "inspired" by Fat Chance's chainstay ends when I needed to design an end cap for our TD-1 frame... Hope nobody is offended by this

From email's I can see I was looking at the Fat Chancer "idea" when I was at on-one, around 2006, and I do remember getting a drawing done, but for several reasons, nothing came of it.
I had a Yo BITD and liked it very much, and, now I think about it, the plate between the top of the seatstays on the Ragley is also a Yo Eddy, er, "rip off"? Though the Yo had a seatstay bridge, and I don't have one.

Ah - and Ragley run constant diameter rear stays too, rather than tapered ones... oh. Another FC concept.

Hmm. I bet I'm going to get my head kicked in now :-(

It's always nice to see some input from shedfire/brant/zak tempest.

Wonder if anyone from On-One has seen this and would care to comment?

That'd be good though too.