Is BOTM too elitist??

[hollister]

Can't quite believe that nobody has linked to the BoTM rules yet.
Here they are for reference: --> http://www.retrobike.co.uk/wiki/BoTM_Rules

Should perhaps point out the most important rule number 13:

"Don't take it too seriously"

Don't let facts get in the way of a perfectly good story


Some people here need to get things off their chest

If you have the patience and the funds to do things right, you aren't welcome here

You don't count in their eyes

 

[FluffyChicken]

Can't quite believe that nobody has linked to the BoTM rules yet.
Here they are for reference: --> http://www.retrobike.co.uk/wiki/BoTM_Rules

Should perhaps point out the most important rule number 13:

"Don't take it too seriously"

Don't let facts get in the way of a perfectly good story


Some people here need to get things off their chest

If you have the patience and the funds to do things right, you aren't welcome here

You don't count in their eyes

but in others you do and are.

 

[Gruff]

BOTM could be moderated much more heavily. if we didn't have 3 pages of two blokes reminding us how much they know about the history of brand XYZ it would be much better. there should only be the pictures of the entry bikes, and description from the owners of the bikes. everything else is irrelevant to the voting competition

Agreed, big a fan as I am of Sinnermans quality builds, the pages of sycophantic canvassing that supported the JMC tribute left me reaching for both the sick bucket and the phone number of Mit Romneys campaign team, who clearly needed the assistance of a professional vote winner.

1 entry as per the rules, then commentary from the entrant to a minimum.


In answer to the initial question, is it too elitist? No it isn't it is a show, Just as a morris minor can win best of show at a vintage car rally, a Saracen, Raleigh or Marin etc stands equal chance of winning the BOTM.

I guess in my mind the issue comes down to the criteria people themselves impose on the vote. Some vote for originality others because they just like the bike, others seemingly because its worn out and knackered from years of use by the same person.

If there are not enough people that value things in the same way you do, you won't see your winner win. But don't blame the competition for the rules that you personally apply to it.

For once Jerky you ain't talking Bo**ocks (ref your sig quote)

 

[Loki]

Can't quite believe that nobody has linked to the BoTM rules yet.
Here they are for reference: --> http://www.retrobike.co.uk/wiki/BoTM_Rules

Should perhaps point out the most important rule number 13:

"Don't take it too seriously"

Don't let facts get in the way of a perfectly good story


Some people here need to get things off their chest

If you have the patience and the funds to do things right, you aren't welcome here


You don't count in their eyes

Perhaps if said you didn't insult the underfunded and less knowledgeable on so many of your posts on multiple forums I would see the merit of your argument. If the messenger is a jerk who gives a hoot about the message? There, it's off my chest, carry on.

 

[sylus]

I go to sleep for a few hours and you girls get all kardashian on me

For those of you who do not like long rambling waffle ...skip this post

for those of you who want to ignore the mrs for 15 minutes or so get a cuppa and sit and watch a master rambler continue. Before I start the ramble there will be a mantra going through ..if you enter a competition for fun then get all crappy because you didn't win then the x factor is looking for you

I'll get to the point that some have raised about turn key bikes. In all the botm's I have observed I rarely see one, even with new purchases from another they will have had the slightest personal tweeks

so lets get to what some are aiming at and even fewer have the balls to say. carl, nevada, nader etc etc there seems to be a healthy typical british disease to attack and knock successfull people and by doing so you ignore what drives people like that.

You see if you think to yourself ..I haven't got a chance of winning , look how much they have spent...if that's what you genuinely see then you don't understand them or/and you don't understand what the competition is about

You do not and I repeat do not spend that much time, money, sleepless nights hoping everything is perfect simply to win a fun competition on a forum...you do it because you have, some may say an ocd obsession, for the love, just not of retro bikes but for the sport and it's history and those types of peoples inputs are more about a personal grin factor having known they played a part in not letting somethig fade away but also promoting what WE have

Most of us will be in line with todays standard of skimming over bits wanting tommorows results today .... these people who spend fortunes bringing bikes back to life that dare i suggest, most people would ignore due to the cost..these are people who have a real real passion and obsesseion with retro bikes and i don't think they should be put on a chair and have rocks thrown at them because they are luckier and more driven than we are. if all you see is money then you don't see anything at all, if you see passion for retro then you might start to understand who and what they are

As to the pages of drivel .... then again another brit disease..some people want to see it just to complain about it, if it's drivel to you just skip the post..simple fix..oi not yet finish reading my drivel

Look at the fat ti winner this month be honest how many thought ..no point in me entering, no chance I'm gonna win? And you would have been right but no one bitched like they are towards other members it was just simply beautiful as many of the past botm winners bikes have been

But apart from that lovely bike what I admired was those others who still entered knowing they were not going to win but remained in the spirit of the competition to show off their pride and joy, their skill and just generally to keep enjoyment of what botm is..a chuckle, not to be taken seriously but a group of people enjoying their hobby and passion.

I repeat...if you enter a competition for fun then get all crappy because you didn't win then the x factor is looking for you

An even more babbling offering if I may in my distant past and in the surroundings I was in, men do funny things when their bored on downtime . One was compare penis's Now after so many yomps and showers that followed during in those heady days...it was clear I was hung in such a way I could make a whale move funny afterwards but competitions being what they are, fun fun fun within a small group it didn't stop people putting bets on before the contest

I entered into the spirit of the thing, enjoyed the fact we all had differences but still wanted to share something with others of a like mind and as long as it remained fun it always was, but when some started taking it to seriously it ruined it for others and the fun stopped..I still had the biggest wanger but the chuckle with my friends had stopped which was a shame

It seems an odd example to portray but I think it highlights where some see fun and and laugh(what the botm is supposed to be) others see bitterness and jealousy which is not what the botm is about

if you enter a competition for fun then get all crappy because you didn't win then the x factor is looking for you

Okay sorry for talking bolloxs but i felt I needed to talk some more than usual and some of your bolloxs

the botm is about pride in your bike, pride in what you have achieved and you giving others encouragement through that...if you believe botm is something different then it's best you not enter

if you enter a competition for fun then get all crappy because you didn't win then the x factor is looking for you

I feel I must conclude it there as having just woken I now need my morning poop..see you in 10

 

[cce]

this, tbh.

http://explosm.net/comics/3004/

 

[Rio]

if you enter a competition for fun then get all crappy because you didn't win then the x factor is looking for you

YES!!!

and you might be a wannabee elitist who is jealous of others having "elitist" bikes and therefor calling them elitist. or something like that.


@tigern, thanks for proving that "us dutchies" ride our bikes

 

[Rod_Saetan]

In the early days people used to regularly nominate other peoples bikes.

 

[tigern]

In the early days people used to regularly nominate other peoples bikes.

it's time we'll get these "Retrodays" back again

 

[sinnerman]

BOTM could be moderated much more heavily. if we didn't have 3 pages of two blokes reminding us how much they know about the history of brand XYZ it would be much better. there should only be the pictures of the entry bikes, and description from the owners of the bikes. everything else is irrelevant to the voting competition

Agreed, big a fan as I am of Sinnermans quality builds, the pages of sycophantic canvassing that supported the JMC tribute left me reaching for both the sick bucket and the phone number of Mit Romneys campaign team, who clearly needed the assistance of a professional vote winner.

1 entry as per the rules, then commentary from the entrant to a minimum.


In answer to the initial question, is it too elitist? No it isn't it is a show, Just as a morris minor can win best of show at a vintage car rally, a Saracen, Raleigh or Marin etc stands equal chance of winning the BOTM.

I guess in my mind the issue comes down to the criteria people themselves impose on the vote. Some vote for originality others because they just like the bike, others seemingly because its worn out and knackered from years of use by the same person.

If there are not enough people that value things in the same way you do, you won't see your winner win. But don't blame the competition for the rules that you personally apply to it.

Jerky.

Its a Shame you call it sycophantic, im sorry my uploading of images and background on my thread upset you, its clearly not to everyones taste, but its not the only thread, in fact i do try to upload as much info and images as possible on all my threads, The Hardisty was no exception.

I see no value to displaying constant pics of polished parts to assemble, when it isnt hard to assemble a bike, and you have seen me do it time and time again.

Perhaps, i feel i can add some value and substance to a thread by adding collective info and images (long unseen) instead.

Especially given untill this, so much has been forgotten in the tunnels of time, and im confident even if members dont comment, its valued due to them either remembering or learning something.

A Perfect example, is your Very own model, the Dogs bolox, a long standing and respected member here owned and rode one for a very long time, he came to sell it, and quoted so many discrepancies, ref tubing type etc etc, i tried to help him, by giving him the right info, but he wouldnt have any of it.

In the end, i had to Scan the info, and post it for him to BELIEVE, this compacted my theory that add this type of info could be a help to some.

Im Disapointed Jerky, i thought more of you than to think my concern was about WINNING botm.

Im Sorry your Chas Roberts D.O.G.S B.O.L.O.X got second place against my Hardisty, next time give me the heads up and i will put my own Chas Roberts D.O.G.S B.O.L.O.X next to yours, we can go head to head, and then you wont feel that i gave myself some RIDICULOUS advantage, by being passionate and thoughtful on the anniversary of Jason McRoys Death.

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=216672

If you really thought that was my motive mate, you really ought to be Ashamed of yourself.

I Have managed to source this weekend, some more images of Jason Mcroy Whilst looking for a Photograph of a Prototype rear end Made by Chas Roberts for Deb Murrells Formula One.

I will add them to the Hardisty thread now, so the Images can be saved for the duration of the exsitance of this site, and so they are not lost forever and can be enjoyed by any member that would like to see them. Better Now that nearer the end of the years big competition eh, i wouldnt want my motives to be misconstrued.

:facepalm:

And also in addition, non of my bikes use any NOS parts, all are hammered and used parts which are fixed and polished (this takes a lot of my time). The only new parts are tyres and contact points etc, cables and chains, this is needed if you are serious about actually riding a bike, as i am. The bikes are cleaned and lubed after each ride, dryed and stored in saftey. (thus contributing to the longevity and life expectancy of a usable old bike)

My motives are not to be elitist, just to be able to have a well serviced usable bike to ride when i want a ride it, therefore minimising the amount of potential mechanical failures whilst the bikes are in use.

FWIW, because a bikes looks mint doesnt mean it had to cost a Packet, or that its not in use.

JMC a tribute to a legend...

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewto ... sc&start=0