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Im struggling to keep up...........
I can see that !
Its a Segmented fork design, that wasnt new even when Fat Chance did it, everything has been done before, remember that.
This segmented fork design was invented and patented by FCC. I follow the very earliest bicycle designs too. Beautifully handmade machines usually by the finest blacksmiths of the day. You would call them mass produced and over priced now at £20-30K ++ for some of the rarest of course
The rule for the comment on price does apply, its on the for sale thread, quite rightly, here on RETROBIKE.
Thats my main point, keep the snarky comments about price to yourself or do some historical research to see how much they have sold for in the past
And to be fair, your comment on............ he only made a 1000 frames, im confused, are you know suggesting hes less experienced...?
I said i think hes made less than 1000 COMPLETELY BY HIMSELF ! Ie the BEST of breed high end models like Team Comps, 10th Anniversary and Titaniums. Many of the rest he did the most difficult or structurally high risk weld sections or other parts or tacking. Then the frame/forks were finished off by other highly talented welders. Some of whom have also achieved legendary status today af frame or fork makers. . Lets not forget over 31 spin off companies arose from FCC. Who else can claim that ?
Yes ive owned FC - Any pics or build threads ?
and far more diverse and even underdog, that are American, and either would never win BOTM because they are considered less worthy, or they are grossly unheard off through lack of Marketing.
I merely gave some justification as to why this 10th Anni is worth top dollar and why FATs are well regarded in most retrobike communities. FAT City NEVER had a big marketing budget as you imply, they were a small scale operation as mentioned in nearly every ‘objective’ magazine review of them or the bikes over the years. I appreciate we may beg to differ on this moot point.
Needless to say they dont need to be good at marketing or need it. (ill let History do the talking, just look at Bontrager and his following without Propaganda tools).
See my point above.
And to answer your point, i think the Dick waving is very poor form, but assuming others opinions are based on less, requires the reminder from that those you insulted, for disagreeing with you, that we arent actually Virgins ourselves. Just a gentle reminder.
For my sins i had to deal with a huge backlog going back years of warranty claims for mass produced Taiwanese junk. I had to cut up countless welds, frames, forks, components, check alignement etc. A VERY laborious process and analyse the results, do research pre internet and formulate reports et to factories in Taiwan etc This has definitely clouded my judgement and made me somewhat hyper critical.Naturally FAT City were imo the manifestation of what is as close to bike frame making perfection as its possible to be. Starrat granite frame alignment anybody ?
Not sure i qualify for a Marketing mans wet dream, i do like to gather as much history as available, especially if something hasn't been seen by the retrobike membership before, or overlooked, or forgeotten, even regarded as an underdog, (sometimes due to the really small marketing budgets by there company or even there respective countries importer) not the case with Fat Chance of course, they were very well represented here in the UK. My case proven with you my good man.
Still to this day, I HAVE NEVER seen another FAT on the trail at the same time as mine. They are a lot rarer in the wild than you think and certainly Evolution Imports were not a big player by comparison to the Titans i dealt with bitd in the trade. So case disproven strongly imo.
As for a ride report, what else could possibly be said, that you haven't already, especially as the only things that haven't been said are any negatives or minuses a frame or build might have. The actual conclusion im sure, wouldn't live up to the marketing dream. (with objective glasses on of course).
So show me a less favourable objective independent magazine review of the 10th Anniversary or indeed any FAT please.
But just for you and your Marketing mans Wet Dream, heres my "view" on a build, adding as much info as i could find, to a thread to demonstrate a Company and a bike that really , was regarded as a true underdog.
I did buy it when others may not have, i did spend considerably more on it than others would have valued it at
How would you feel say if you had paid £2500 for it as such a rare beast ( for example , kept it mint and after many years decided to sell it for £2000 on here and members started making snarky comments about your start price ? I will respectfully refrain from further comments on it.
i did enjoy trying to get it right for me as a rider and indeed to look at.
I did do a revue of sorts, on it, i did try to remain objective throughout.
Have a read, its not marketing, its not flash, its not for profit, its not for everybody, but its an unbiased collection of information, with a now and then revue, of a small company misunderstood and essentially failing, but from a far lesser height than FAT CHANCE did.
You have made some vague attempt to twist the discussion into some sort of inverted snobbery discourse on brand value. Sigh !
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Nice bike and glad you like it and I will leave it there. Making disparaging comments about a man ride is like calling his wife or gf ugly.
I will just reiterate my main point, that making snarky comments about the prices on people FS ads does no good. It should be respectfully discouraged. In fact it harms residuals and NOBODY like loosing money. Nobody buys these opd bikes because then NEED them. They are bought with the heart as impulse buys. They same reason why guys mostly blow crazy money on expensive sports cars. The seller wouod be delighted to move it on for his asking price or more and any buyer would be delighted to own it and even better build it and ride it into the ground.
YOLO
