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M-Power":20lscxzd said:
1552":20lscxzd said:
Got to agree with sinnerman.
M-sport, think you have miss judged your response to the written, and so far there hasn't been any really negative comments, just opinion which we are all entitled to
Everybody has opinions but slamming a price should IMO not be allowed. It is of course on here and i acknowledge that but I disagree with that position. I explained why and I strongly believe making snarky comments about price on FS threads does the whole scene no end of harm. Had plenty of agreement from other members about this in private discussions.
I had to read that twice, just to be sure, and i appreciate you are perhaps the sites largest FAT fan, perhaps the most loyal fanboy of them all.
I appreciate that leaves me open to being a quasi supporter of the brand and as such people enjoy having a pop for S&Gs
But please remember the two members who have passed comment on the ridiculous, do actually have some experience.
Please give me some details here, which FATs have you guys owned, ridden etc and ride reviews please
and whilst we can all buy into the propaganda of a brand, at least we have the common sense to see through it and make judgements based on hugely varied experience. Your so Blinded by it, it seems, you've quoted most of it in the first paragraph.
Not propaganda or lack of common sense driving my opinions at all. I have plenty of experience of the competition having worked in the bike trade for long enough in this era and ridden with thousands of now classified as retrobikers over the years, swopped bikes over tea and fruit cake at High Beech Epping Forest etc )
Whilst some might be blinded by the marketing bullshit, others may not.
Typical response to call BS. Judging by most of your collection you are a marketing mans dream but thats just my opionion. I do rate the Zinns though but I have never ridden one but they ripped off the FAT BOI fork.
Its a Class Frame, built by an employee who is so good, he should have had his own name on the Frame, NO Doubt there. He built SO many for SO long the guy himself is a legend.
He probably only made less than 1000 frames ‘completely’ on his own. Team Comps ( vv few made ) 10th Anni ~ 178 ish and the 93/94 Ti frames again probably 1-150 frames. In other cases tacking and tig welds were completed by other talented welders in collaboration. So that makes his sole workmanship on a frame rare, desirable and highly collectable.
To spit out the bullshit you have above to members who have such a vast and varied collection, is a little like teaching your grandmother to suck eggs whilst throwing your dollys out of the pram, and all because we disagree over the Starting price of a Frame.
Ahhh the old....i have more experience than yoooo and a more diverse collection, conflated with all the other members on my side arguement.
Strongly disagree and its the reason why comments on well run forums slamming For Sale Pricing is not tolerated. If you dont like the price, keep yoir opinions to yourself. I accept thats not the case on RB.
Have a word with yourself.
No one has passed insult to you, Nor Fat Chance.
As i said neg vibing members FS prices in general should be strongly deterred on RB imo but I have accepted its part if the scene on here now and probably a displacement action instead of a Politics thread.
Im struggling to keep up...........
Its a Segmented fork design, that wasnt new even when Fat Chance did it, everything has been done before, remember that.
The rule for the comment on price does apply, its on the for sale thread, quite rightly, here on RETROBIKE.
Your in Market place, its on ebay, your on a discussion board, please dont blame retrobike, hanging on to your point with only this, is a little flimsy.
And to be fair, your comment on............ he only made a 1000 frames, im confused, are you know suggesting hes less experienced...?
I always held the man in high regard, and not just because of what ive read.
Yes ive owned FC, and far more diverse and even underdog, that are American, and either would never win BOTM because they are considered less worthy, or they are grossly unheard off through lack of Marketing.
Needless to say they dont need to be good at marketing or need it. (ill let History do the talking, just look at Bontrager and his following without Propaganda tools).
And to answer your point, i think the Dick waving is very poor form, but assuming others opinions are based on less, requires the reminder from that those you insulted, for disagreeing with you, that we arent actually Virgins ourselves. Just a gentle reminder.
Not sure i qualify for a Marketing mans wet dream, i do like to gather as much history as available, especially if something hasn't been seen by the retrobike membership before, or overlooked, or forgeotten, even regarded as an underdog, (sometimes due to the really small marketing budgets by there company or even there respective countries importer) not the case with Fat Chance of course, they were very well represented here in the UK. My case proven with you my good man.
As for a ride report, what else could possibly be said, that you haven't already, especially as the only things that haven't been said are any negatives or minuses a frame or build might have. The actual conclusion im sure, wouldn't live up to the marketing dream. (with objective glasses on of course).
But just for you and your Marketing mans Wet Dream, heres my "view" on a build, adding as much info as i could find, to a thread to demonstrate a Company and a bike that really , was regarded as a true underdog.
I did buy it when others may not have, i did spend considerably more on it than others would have valued it at, i did enjoy trying to get it right for me as a rider and indeed to look at.
I did do a revue of sorts, on it, i did try to remain objective throughout.
Have a read, its not marketing, its not flash, its not for profit, its not for everybody, but its an unbiased collection of information, with a now and then revue, of a small company misunderstood and essentially failing, but from a far lesser height than FAT CHANCE did.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=405272
a Contribution with as much of a, un-biased opinion as i can make it.
