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Neil":18hs7aog said:
I am not bothered to be honest.
However, I still say it was not inevitable.
Look at Triumph.
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I am not bothered to be honest.
However, I still say it was not inevitable.
Look at Triumph.
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Neil":3q8xyxsq said:
Is that a watershed moment for you Neil, realising this is just a message board?
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As bizarre as it may sound, I did not actually think my musings here have any effectual relevance to a folding car company; which puts them in good company in the off topic section of a bike related forum...
Triumph grew their brand and escaped the constrictions of marketing to the nostalgics. (Previous attempts to overturn their fortunes were not successful.)
It is perfectly reasonable to posit that Bristol could have done the same, considering how many new start and small volume manufacturers operate with no heritage customers guaranteeing a minimum turnover.
There is no logical reason to suggest the fate of Bristol was inevitable, based on the number of variables involved.
Maybe you could have asked me to expound rather than offering a trite reminder that we are all just expressing our opinions.
Kind of goes without saying, (normally).
Sometimes irrelevance masquerades as subtlety.
Triumph grew their brand and escaped the constrictions of marketing to the nostalgics. (Previous attempts to overturn their fortunes were not successful.)
It is perfectly reasonable to posit that Bristol could have done the same, considering how many new start and small volume manufacturers operate with no heritage customers guaranteeing a minimum turnover.
There is no logical reason to suggest the fate of Bristol was inevitable, based on the number of variables involved.
Maybe you could have asked me to expound rather than offering a trite reminder that we are all just expressing our opinions.
Kind of goes without saying, (normally).
Sometimes irrelevance masquerades as subtlety.
I knew this would happen, too subtle and people get the wrong end of the stick.highlandsflyer":1m4muevm said:
My point about the inevitability of it all, which appears to have struck you, individually, as some sort of affront, was based on a reasoned rationale - and the strongest support for that, is the reailty - what actually happened. Now sure, I get the natural contention to that is coincidence - but I'd disagree - I think they failed for the reasons I'd explain.
Your counter, was comparison - but missing the point, somewhat - in discussing some of these marques, comparison doesn't serve. I know what you're trying to say - that there is commonality - that some factors are relevant. But the reality is, some very indivudual marques, with either different business models, or quite different demographics.
These small-ish, very individual, marques may have very little commonality, apart from some anonymous, on-paper factors. Some may have no natural predators - for some, their only real threats may be time itself, and a sustained poor economic outlook.
Some maybe able to reinvent themselves - maybe that's a luxury of a certain sector in the market and not purely relying on prosperity.
To return to Bristol, my reason for my declaration about inevitability was based on a few factors - narrow and narrowing demograph (at least domestically - truth be told, I have no perception of their export demograph), sustained recession, and no obvious light in sight. I'd contend that their target audience (at least domestically) is quite unusual - with two consequences for discussion - I don't think comparison to other so called "similar" marques, really does reveal much commonality; and whilst some exclusive marques can still find growth in hard times, I feel that works for new money and not old money, if you get my drift.
Whilst the others that you'd compare with, I'd contend have other factors that don't necessarily make them immune, but don't necessarily provide any real comparison.
Bristol cars were something of an albatross in relation to the others that you mention, both in terms of price point, business model, and demographic - and one of the lessons in recent years, is that the social climbing demograph (you know, those selective - probably, with the only money to burn, right now), has little or no respect of tradition.
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That something happened has little bearing on whether it was inevitable at a certain point in time.
Right until the final moments companies can be bought out, it happens every day.
I get what you are saying, and sorry if I was terse in my response.
You mention the recession, so you are fixing on a certain time frame, where I am looking back to the seventies.
Bristol could have developed a cheaper car competing with the likes of Lotus and Reliant.
They could have worked with Aston Martin, AC, Jensen or someone to their betterment back in the seventies.
They could have gone large and competed with Maybach, in the era when Rollers and Bentleys became a wee bit 'common'.
Let us wait and see what happens.
Someone must be interested in them, they have a lot of built in value, and have a 225mph + supercar on their books, not many of those come up in administration buy out deals...
Right until the final moments companies can be bought out, it happens every day.
I get what you are saying, and sorry if I was terse in my response.
You mention the recession, so you are fixing on a certain time frame, where I am looking back to the seventies.
Bristol could have developed a cheaper car competing with the likes of Lotus and Reliant.
They could have worked with Aston Martin, AC, Jensen or someone to their betterment back in the seventies.
They could have gone large and competed with Maybach, in the era when Rollers and Bentleys became a wee bit 'common'.
Let us wait and see what happens.
Someone must be interested in them, they have a lot of built in value, and have a 225mph + supercar on their books, not many of those come up in administration buy out deals...
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gump":2w6t6gba said:
I think you posted this on the wrong thread. This is not about Overburys.
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