Can you tell me more about this Carlton frame?
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The other is Truwell and this is 531 - universal have listed theirs as 531 so I presume it's this ? Plot thickens
There's one here in 1952
http://veterancycleclublibrary.org.uk/l ... 7&items=16
COUPES":10gjulnm said:
The other is Truwell and this is 531 - universal have listed theirs as 531 so I presume it's this ? Plot thickens
There's one here in 1952
http://veterancycleclublibrary.org.uk/l ... 7&items=16
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I emailed a couple
Of times with no response.
These are beautiful frames and I am tempted to go for it but it won't be built or restored for a while - almost too good to miss even to keep safe in storage for a while and the price won't kill me, so let's see if they respond.
I am slowly learning a lot about these cycles.
COUPES":gmxmmt5d said:
I emailed a couple
Of times with no response.
These are beautiful frames and I am tempted to go for it but it won't be built or restored for a while - almost too good to miss even to keep safe in storage for a while and the price won't kill me, so let's see if they respond.
I am slowly learning a lot about these cycles.
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Definitely worth going for and parts turn up. Take your time and research for what was used. Sites like Classic Lightweights are great for information. The V-CC for catalogue download files and here for knowledge even! I've stumbled into 30s-50s bikes and its addictive lol. Still learning as I'm 60s vintage and had 70s bikes. Not all information is available or records kept by some builders. WW2 seemed to have got in the way and records and builders lost.
Parts used then were very well made and alot produced so turn up quite often. Some manufacturers date code their parts so that helps. Williams and Sturmey Archer did. Chater Lea made alot of parts and are some of the best but can be pricey now for good or new old stock parts.
Some 30s-40s bikes didn't have gears. Fixed or free only as sold originally.
I hope you can get the frame and forks and be good to see it built up again.
Simon
Definitely worth going for and parts turn up. Take your time and research for what was used. Sites like Classic Lightweights are great for information. The V-CC for catalogue download files and here for knowledge even! I've stumbled into 30s-50s bikes and its addictive lol. Still learning as I'm 60s vintage and had 70s bikes. Not all information is available or records kept by some builders. WW2 seemed to have got in the way and records and builders lost.
Parts used then were very well made and alot produced so turn up quite often. Some manufacturers date code their parts so that helps. Williams and Sturmey Archer did. Chater Lea made alot of parts and are some of the best but can be pricey now for good or new old stock parts.
Some 30s-40s bikes didn't have gears. Fixed or free only as sold originally.
I hope you can get the frame and forks and be good to see it built up again.
Simon
Let me try to explain why I think Simon is totally wrong on this.
We have seen too much of this lately, what appears to have happened is that a trader has turned a £150 complete bike into about £500 by pulling it apart.
This could finish up costing about £500 or more.
If it was supplied originally as a frame only it would have had head set and bottom bracket, not even those are in place.
The way to do this is buy a complete bike, possibly built by one of the many specialist builders, then improve and repair. These mid range Carltons were good, and very expensive new, but you could find better value.
By the mid 50s I was selling silver brazed frames with butted 531, campagnolo ends, Nervex pro, silver brazed to spec by one of Birmingham's best for £10.50.
Keith
We have seen too much of this lately, what appears to have happened is that a trader has turned a £150 complete bike into about £500 by pulling it apart.
This could finish up costing about £500 or more.
If it was supplied originally as a frame only it would have had head set and bottom bracket, not even those are in place.
The way to do this is buy a complete bike, possibly built by one of the many specialist builders, then improve and repair. These mid range Carltons were good, and very expensive new, but you could find better value.
By the mid 50s I was selling silver brazed frames with butted 531, campagnolo ends, Nervex pro, silver brazed to spec by one of Birmingham's best for £10.50.
Keith
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Simon, didn't put it very well, wrong to advise purchase for reasons given, I think our views of the bike are both pretty close.
How often do we see someone here who has bought a frame, sometimes without forks, for huge money, then get totally ripped off buying parts.
Keith
Simon, didn't put it very well, wrong to advise purchase for reasons given, I think our views of the bike are both pretty close.
How often do we see someone here who has bought a frame, sometimes without forks, for huge money, then get totally ripped off buying parts.
Keith
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Totally agree Keith with seeing crazy prices these days. I have friends that have paid fortunes for parts but for a faithful restoration and cheaper than some 'C' word (carbon) modern machines. I am guilty paying over the odds for NOS parts but have had managed to get some good prices on others.
It is getting harder to find quality names but they are out there.
I wish I was around in the 50s when cycling was in its heyday. My father and uncle rode some fantastic machines then and you were lucky to sell them then Keith!
Sadly now we have the bike dismantler's selling for profit and its a business for them I suppose. How long it lasts for who knows?
Keeping names and machines alive I'm all for.
Simon
Totally agree Keith with seeing crazy prices these days. I have friends that have paid fortunes for parts but for a faithful restoration and cheaper than some 'C' word (carbon) modern machines. I am guilty paying over the odds for NOS parts but have had managed to get some good prices on others.
It is getting harder to find quality names but they are out there.
I wish I was around in the 50s when cycling was in its heyday. My father and uncle rode some fantastic machines then and you were lucky to sell them then Keith!
Sadly now we have the bike dismantler's selling for profit and its a business for them I suppose. How long it lasts for who knows?
Keeping names and machines alive I'm all for.
Simon
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