Zinn from ebay with issue's, but hey, still sweet!

[suburbanreuben]

Lots of different stories about 653, but this is what Terry Bill (ex-Reynolds) said:

"653 - superseded 531 pro, consists of 531 lightweight main tubes, 725 rear stays (725 is CrMo and similar in characteristics to 753)"

Funny Reynolds constructors tube guide lists it as being a MnMo tubeset like 753 and 531 with the same diameters as 753 on the stays.

http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/reynolds/Reynolds-tubing-sizes.jpg

and I've seen that thread too but the interesting bit is:

The Reynolds timeline shows 725, 631, and 525 tubing were introduced for OEM use in 1997, while 753 was introduced nearly 20 years earlier in 1976.

The decals history pdf shows the 653 decal as having been available in 1986.

So I think the details maybe hazy in that employees head as 725 didn't even exist when 653 was launched.

Good old Wikipedia seems to state the same as does this blog post citing evidence directly from Reynolds:

http://jimlangley.blogspot.co.uk/2008/03/q-merckx-tubing-motobecane-badge-pedals.html

The main difference between 653 and 753 is in the heat treatment. The ratios of Mn:Mo and any other elements may also be different.
Having the same dimensions does not necessarily make them the same.

 

[sinnerman]

Lots of different stories about 653, but this is what Terry Bill (ex-Reynolds) said:

"653 - superseded 531 pro, consists of 531 lightweight main tubes, 725 rear stays (725 is CrMo and similar in characteristics to 753)"

Funny Reynolds constructors tube guide lists it as being a MnMo tubeset like 753 and 531 with the same diameters as 753 on the stays.

http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/reynolds/Reynolds-tubing-sizes.jpg

and I've seen that thread too but the interesting bit is:

The Reynolds timeline shows 725, 631, and 525 tubing were introduced for OEM use in 1997, while 753 was introduced nearly 20 years earlier in 1976.

The decals history pdf shows the 653 decal as having been available in 1986.

So I think the details maybe hazy in that employees head as 725 didn't even exist when 653 was launched.

Sadly i cant see your pictured post, for some reason the picture square is blank... :cry:

Im confident the 753 tubeset that arrived 20 years earlier was a Road Specific tubeset, 753ATB didnt arrive until later.

I think we are a little of course, for this thread. For the purposes of this thread, and the Zinn, i think i can confidently say, Reynolds Considered 753 as there Premium tubeset, much as it does in the same way with 953 stainless today. Christ even back then Reynolds had to certify the builder before being allowed to use it.

 

[drcarlos]

Lots of different stories about 653, but this is what Terry Bill (ex-Reynolds) said:

"653 - superseded 531 pro, consists of 531 lightweight main tubes, 725 rear stays (725 is CrMo and similar in characteristics to 753)"

Funny Reynolds constructors tube guide lists it as being a MnMo tubeset like 753 and 531 with the same diameters as 753 on the stays.

http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/reynolds/Reynolds-tubing-sizes.jpg

and I've seen that thread too but the interesting bit is:

The Reynolds timeline shows 725, 631, and 525 tubing were introduced for OEM use in 1997, while 753 was introduced nearly 20 years earlier in 1976.

The decals history pdf shows the 653 decal as having been available in 1986.

So I think the details maybe hazy in that employees head as 725 didn't even exist when 653 was launched.

Good old Wikipedia seems to state the same as does this blog post citing evidence directly from Reynolds:

http://jimlangley.blogspot.co.uk/2008/03/q-merckx-tubing-motobecane-badge-pedals.html

The main difference between 653 and 753 is in the heat treatment. The ratios of Mn:Mo and any other elements may also be different.
Having the same dimensions does not necessarily make them the same.

Now you decide to weigh in with something worth saying instead of just insulting me. I understand alloying for strength, durability and hardness so accept you may have a point. Have you got some links I can read that show an alternative history?

 

[drcarlos]

Lots of different stories about 653, but this is what Terry Bill (ex-Reynolds) said:

"653 - superseded 531 pro, consists of 531 lightweight main tubes, 725 rear stays (725 is CrMo and similar in characteristics to 753)"

Funny Reynolds constructors tube guide lists it as being a MnMo tubeset like 753 and 531 with the same diameters as 753 on the stays.

http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/reynolds/Reynolds-tubing-sizes.jpg

and I've seen that thread too but the interesting bit is:

The Reynolds timeline shows 725, 631, and 525 tubing were introduced for OEM use in 1997, while 753 was introduced nearly 20 years earlier in 1976.

The decals history pdf shows the 653 decal as having been available in 1986.

So I think the details maybe hazy in that employees head as 725 didn't even exist when 653 was launched.

Sadly i cant see your pictured post, for some reason the picture square is blank... :cry:

Im confident the 753 tubeset that arrived 20 years earlier was a Road Specific tubeset, 753ATB didnt arrive until later.

I think we are a little of course, for this thread. For the purposes of this thread, and the Zinn, i think i can confidently say, Reynolds Considered 753 as there Premium tubeset, much as it does in the same way with 953 stainless today. Christ even back then Reynolds had to certify the builder before being allowed to use it.

Had this a couple of times so I added the url too, I know 753 was tops, just saying it appears there was a bit of it in 653 too.
As for the timelines they are saying the stays are '725' not '753' and '725' didn't arrive until 1997, where 653 was available in 1986.
Also '725' is Cromo and '653' is MnMo (like 531 and 753).

 

[sinnerman]

Do you think having three Zinns is classed as greedy

If so I might end up being a real greedy b*****d and do something special with it....

I PLEAD with you to buy it, do your thing. YOU HAVE TOO. you cant pass this up, not given your plans for it.

 

[sinnerman]

Lots of different stories about 653, but this is what Terry Bill (ex-Reynolds) said:

"653 - superseded 531 pro, consists of 531 lightweight main tubes, 725 rear stays (725 is CrMo and similar in characteristics to 753)"

Funny Reynolds constructors tube guide lists it as being a MnMo tubeset like 753 and 531 with the same diameters as 753 on the stays.

http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/reynolds/Reynolds-tubing-sizes.jpg

and I've seen that thread too but the interesting bit is:

The Reynolds timeline shows 725, 631, and 525 tubing were introduced for OEM use in 1997, while 753 was introduced nearly 20 years earlier in 1976.

The decals history pdf shows the 653 decal as having been available in 1986.

So I think the details maybe hazy in that employees head as 725 didn't even exist when 653 was launched.

Sadly i cant see your pictured post, for some reason the picture square is blank... :cry:

Im confident the 753 tubeset that arrived 20 years earlier was a Road Specific tubeset, 753ATB didnt arrive until later.

I think we are a little of course, for this thread. For the purposes of this thread, and the Zinn, i think i can confidently say, Reynolds Considered 753 as there Premium tubeset, much as it does in the same way with 953 stainless today. Christ even back then Reynolds had to certify the builder before being allowed to use it.

Had this a couple of times so I added the url too, I know 753 was tops, just saying it appears there was a bit of it in 653 too.
As for the timelines they are saying the stays are '725' not '753' and '725' didn't arrive until 1997, where 653 was available in 1986.
Also '725' is Cromo and '653' is MnMo (like 531 and 753).

I still cant see the posts, but i would suspect you are looking at a more recent spec sheet, showing tubes specs and Reynolds badges.

The info is here, i posted it. buggered if i can remember on what thread though... :?

 

[xxnick1975]

Pleased with the discussion coming out of this. Now over £900....

 

[SiRvInO]

Lol

I used to drink tea round Isla's house with her framebuilding partner BITD, mate used to race one their prototype frames, I just had a Fisher Paragon...

Their bikes used to get ridden, raced etc....Not designed for waffle 20 years later..

 

[Giom6]

Do you think having three Zinns is classed as greedy

If so I might end up being a real greedy b*****d and do something special with it....

I PLEAD with you to buy it, do your thing. YOU HAVE TOO. you cant pass this up, not given your plans for it.

I might just have mate...it would be cool

Just got to hope all this talking doesn't give people ideas...

 

[drcarlos]

Lots of different stories about 653, but this is what Terry Bill (ex-Reynolds) said:

"653 - superseded 531 pro, consists of 531 lightweight main tubes, 725 rear stays (725 is CrMo and similar in characteristics to 753)"

Funny Reynolds constructors tube guide lists it as being a MnMo tubeset like 753 and 531 with the same diameters as 753 on the stays.

http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/reynolds/Reynolds-tubing-sizes.jpg

and I've seen that thread too but the interesting bit is:

The Reynolds timeline shows 725, 631, and 525 tubing were introduced for OEM use in 1997, while 753 was introduced nearly 20 years earlier in 1976.

The decals history pdf shows the 653 decal as having been available in 1986.

So I think the details maybe hazy in that employees head as 725 didn't even exist when 653 was launched.

Sadly i cant see your pictured post, for some reason the picture square is blank... :cry:

Im confident the 753 tubeset that arrived 20 years earlier was a Road Specific tubeset, 753ATB didnt arrive until later.

I think we are a little of course, for this thread. For the purposes of this thread, and the Zinn, i think i can confidently say, Reynolds Considered 753 as there Premium tubeset, much as it does in the same way with 953 stainless today. Christ even back then Reynolds had to certify the builder before being allowed to use it.

Had this a couple of times so I added the url too, I know 753 was tops, just saying it appears there was a bit of it in 653 too.
As for the timelines they are saying the stays are '725' not '753' and '725' didn't arrive until 1997, where 653 was available in 1986.
Also '725' is Cromo and '653' is MnMo (like 531 and 753).

I still cant see the posts, but i would suspect you are looking at a more recent spec sheet, showing tubes specs and Reynolds badges.

The info is here, i posted it. buggered if i can remember on what thread though... :?

I've killed the img link as we appear to have overrun their bandwidth . Yes it's an early 90's brochure.

Here's the html link Which just reproduces the brochure: http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/reynolds/constructorstubeguide.htm

Anyway I've just found this on link to Bob Jackson:
http://www.worldclasscycles.com/JACKSON-HOME.htm

Which give info about a 6 series tubeset and 725

REYNOLDS 631 / 631OS info

Reynolds 631 Air Hardened tubing is a tubeset based on their 853 Air Hardened technology. This tubeset has replaced 531 as the basic material used to construct Jackson frames. The primary difference between 853 and 631 is the lack of heat treating applied to the an 853 tubeset, thus producing 631 tubing. At the present time 631 will only be available as main tubes and must be combined with either 525 or 725 stays to complete the frame. Jackson will be using 725 oval stays with these main tubes in their oversized configurations. This designation will be replacing Reynolds 653 & 731OS tubes. Tig welding is possible, however to bring 631 to its optimal strength level, brazing and the much larger heated area produced will greatly increase the finished joints ultimate strength.

So it appears that at least one builder was using 725 stays but with 631 mains and 653 is mentioned in the same section. So is this where the 653 with 725 rumour came from? Could easily be crossed wires as it would appear that 653 and 725 didn't exist at the same time and don't even share the same alloying.