Veganism

[RickTheUncivil]

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I think it's morally abhorrent to eat anything that cannot defend itself.

which is why i don't eat sprouts. poor, defenceless sprouts.

A pig or a cow, now I hear those b*gg£rs can really put up a fight.

 

[The History Man]

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I think it's morally abhorrent to eat anything that cannot defend itself.

which is why i don't eat sprouts. poor, defenceless sprouts.

A pig or a cow, now I hear those b*gg£rs can really put up a fight.

:mrgreen:

 

[CassidyAce]

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Two closely related independent clauses, without a conjunction linking them: I think I would have liked to have seen a semicolon after 'nourished' instead of the comma on that grammar card. :shock:

Should we mind our own business or try to intervene? Surely there are some occasions when we really should mind our own business and some, especially those involving innocent victims, when minding our own business, or failure to act, is itself wrongful. It's where we draw the line that's the issue. Where we draw the line will depend on judgements we've already made about what's morally important and what isn't. If you believe that we should mind our own business when it comes to the meat industry then, surely, that's because of a prior judgement that the suffering of animals doesn't really matter that much - at least not as much as humans' freedom of choice. But what's the reasoning behind that judgement?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929 < study that shows vegans have significantly lower cancer rates than (otherwise equally-healthy) omnivores.

Interesting. It would be good if there were some follow up work on whether it's meat eating per se or eating meat produced by modern farming methods that results in higher rates of cancer - or even whether there's any difference in rates between the two. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some discrepancy between them, even if both result in higher rates of cancer than non-meat-eating.

 

[Xevious]

I've been a vegetarian for five years now, though 98% of the meals at home are vegan.
Just waiting for some really really gooood vegan cheese before I go vegan

 

[Duxuk]

I've only read a few of the posts above but here's my take on veganism.
You will die without animal derived vitamin K. If you don't take supplements then you need to not wash your veg so that the bugs and grubs you thus consume provide it for you. Most of our farmland is unsuitable for vegetable production. We could provide UK grown vegan food for a tiny and privileged section of society.
Vegetarian life expectancy is similar to that of an omnivore but veggies tend to be more cautious in life, taking fewer risks which artificially adds to their lifespan.
Once you reach retirement age the prospects for omnivores is considerably better than that of veggies in terms of health and length of life.
A vegan society will be less productive in areas such as technology because much longer is spent eating just to get enough calories. Less time is left for work and thought.
Meat tastes good! Why make your life less enjoyable?
Farm animals only exist so we can eat them but they none the less produce fertiliser to nourish crops.
We, as a species, are relatively hairless. This is because we are an aquatic ape. If you need to suvive don't go to the plains of Africa, go to the seaside, which has a natural call to humans anyway. Plenty of animal and vegetable food is available on the coast. It's easy to aquire and will give you a long life expectancy, like the Japanese, who live the longest of all with their sea based diet. In a survival situation vegetarians and vegans will become malnourished and die first. Omnivores can survive indefinitely, especially near the sea, of course.
King prawn curry tonight. I'm going to an "Indian" (Bangladeshi) restaurant and object to Halal slaughter. It's barbaric. Should be banned but Cameron said it was not open to discussion.
Veggies often say that if you had to kill it yourself you wouldn't eat it. Not true in my case. I've killed (quickly), cooked and eaten many times.

 

[M-Power]

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The world would be a better place if more did it.

Would the world be a better place if we weren't advised to not drive cars so much? Or not advised to repair/reuse/recycle stuff? Or not advised to not waste water or electricity?

It is an unavoidable fact (yes, fact - read the advice of the WHO, countless climate scientists, etc) that current factory farming practices and levels of animal product consumption are massively detrimental to the climate and the health of the populace as a whole.

Heaven forbid we should put a few people's backs up in trying to improve things for everyone, and not be unwilling participants in some horrific animal cruelty in the process..

Tend to agree with this. The more veggies the better. Im semi veg now and defo feel a lot better for it. Lost 4st in the last few months. Intensive farming and natural resources are struggling to keep up with the human pop increase....prob 9Billion in the near future. I have faith in humanity though when i see some of the smart solutions being developed by the modern gen to clean up our act.

 

[unkleGsif]

I've only read a few of the posts above but here's my take on veganism.
You will die without animal derived vitamin K. If you don't take supplements then you need to not wash your veg so that the bugs and grubs you thus consume provide it for you. Most of our farmland is unsuitable for vegetable production. We could provide UK grown vegan food for a tiny and privileged section of society.
Vegetarian life expectancy is similar to that of an omnivore but veggies tend to be more cautious in life, taking fewer risks which artificially adds to their lifespan.
Once you reach retirement age the prospects for omnivores is considerably better than that of veggies in terms of health and length of life.
A vegan society will be less productive in areas such as technology because much longer is spent eating just to get enough calories. Less time is left for work and thought.
Meat tastes good! Why make your life less enjoyable?
Farm animals only exist so we can eat them but they none the less produce fertiliser to nourish crops.
We, as a species, are relatively hairless. This is because we are an aquatic ape. If you need to suvive don't go to the plains of Africa, go to the seaside, which has a natural call to humans anyway. Plenty of animal and vegetable food is available on the coast. It's easy to aquire and will give you a long life expectancy, like the Japanese, who live the longest of all with their sea based diet. In a survival situation vegetarians and vegans will become malnourished and die first. Omnivores can survive indefinitely, especially near the sea, of course.
King prawn curry tonight. I'm going to an "Indian" (Bangladeshi) restaurant and object to Halal slaughter. It's barbaric. Should be banned but Cameron said it was not open to discussion.
Veggies often say that if you had to kill it yourself you wouldn't eat it. Not true in my case. I've killed (quickly), cooked and eaten many times.

98% of what youve written is rubbish... the only bits i agree with are about making life less enjoyable (although disagree that meat free will achieve this), and the japanese diet being in general, healthy

 

[The History Man]

You thought he was serious?

 

[unkleGsif]

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Seemed to be... very thinly disguised sarcasm oherwise

 

[legrandefromage]

I've just skinned a banana alive.