Swedish Massange?

highlandsflyer

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I would guess few of us think of Sweden as a place we could not receive a fair trial.

Judging by the man's latest actions, my instincts tell me he has much to fear from the truth.

Ironically.
 
I will admit to being a supporter of assange but this latest move has caused me to have a wtf momment
 
sylus":lniyijjo said:
I will admit to being a supporter of assange but this latest move has caused me to have a wtf momment
Exactly the same boat.
Guilty or not, running just makes him look guilty.
 
1duck":g869ya50 said:
sylus":g869ya50 said:
I will admit to being a supporter of assange but this latest move has caused me to have a wtf momment
Exactly the same boat.
Guilty or not, running just makes him look guilty.
I've never properly understood that - it's not been a consistent inference I've made.

Whenever I've heard of somebody in a slightly unusual situation, running, I've always thought it's not that clear why - it could be guilt, it could be being unhinged, it could be being convinced they won't get a fair trial - I can't say as I've automatically assumed somebody running for it is automatically guilty because of it.

I have wondered whether it's something of a pre-emptive argument by those that want to use the argument, though.
 
As I understand it, the asylum seeking is less to do with having a fair trial than his belief that he is more likely to be extradited to the US from Sweden on the Wikileaks issue.

And the cliche about why run if you're not guilty is just that, and in many cases is patently untrue.
 
The thing is, Latin American Countrys follow the Caracas Convention instead of the Vienna Convention of 1961

Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations
Vienna on 18 April 1961

Article 41 :


1.Without prejudice to their privileges and immunities, it is the duty of all persons enjoying such
privileges and immunities to respect the laws and regulations of the receiving State. They also have a
duty not to interfere in the internal affairs of that State.


2.All official business with the receiving State entrusted to the mission by the sending State shall
be conducted with or through the Ministry for Foreign Affairs of the receiving State or such other
ministry as may be agreed.

3.The premises of the mission must not be used in any manner incompatible with the functions of
the mission as laid down in the present Convention or by other rules of general international law or by
any special agreements in force between the sending and the receiving State.


UN Report :

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/type,LEGH ... ee0,0.html

ECUADOR

Ecuador, together with other Latin American countries, supported the inclusion of the item on diplomatic asylum in the provisional agenda for the thirtieth session of the General Assembly, in the belief that it would be advisable to conclude a general international agreement on the principles that should govern diplomatic asylum.

Although the institution of diplomatic asylum is all too well known in Latin America, it is well worth studying the possibility of broadening its scope to make it universal. Consequently, Ecuador’s views may be summed up as follows:

Diplomatic asylum has a long history in Latin America and has at all times received the whole-hearted support of Ecuador, which has consistently upheld the principle complying with the positive rules laid down in treaties conventions as well as taking account of customary practice. In addition, it has concluded various bilateral agreements with other States.

The Latin American precedents must inevitably be taken into consideration in connexion with any multilateral convention concluded under the auspices of the United Nations. Ecuador considers that a universal convention should embody such principles as Latin American theory and practice have shown to be essential for the observance and effectiveness of diplomatic asylum.

It thus considers that such a convention must necessarily make provision for:

(a) The principle that asylum should be granted exclusively for the protection of persons who are being sought for political reasons or for political offences;

(b) The right of every State to grant or refuse diplomatic asylum;

(c) The principle that it shall rest with the State granting asylum to determine the nature of the offence or the motives for the persecution;

(d) The principle that persons granted asylum shall be prohibited from engaging in acts contrary to the public peace or interfering in the internal politics of the territorial State or the State granting asylum;

(e) The principle that the granting of asylum shall not be subject to reciprocity;

(f) A declaration to the effect that the State granting asylum is not required to settle the person granted asylum in its territory; and

(g) The principle that the State granting asylum should be the one to decide on the urgency of the asylum requested.

Besides the points noted above, consideration should also be given to the other supplementary provisions contained in the Caracas Convention of 1954, which is in force in the Latin American world.


EXTRA Reading :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18521881
 
Why on earth would he think he is safe in Ecuador?

Even if he makes it there, he will end up bundled into the back of a car and smuggled out to the USA.

Sweden was his best bet.

Oh but then, he might just have a case to answer.

From what he has said himself I would say that is likely.

No matter how he many now attempt to massange the truth.
 
highlandsflyer":tvrwonnj said:
Why on earth would he think he is safe in Ecuador?
Hasn't Ecuador previously approached him?
highlandsflyer":tvrwonnj said:
Even if he makes it there, he will end up bundled into the back of a car and smuggled out to the USA.
How would he manage to leave the embassy without risk of arrest by UK police?
 
"Even if he makes it there," alluded to that en passant.

I think he is best facing the music.

Then the resultant prison term in Sweden, after which the USA may leave him be. Better in jail in Sweden than the USA I reckon.
 
Ecuador is like most south american states..not a place I would say is safe from a u.s. kidnap squad and agree that Sweden would have been the best bet

From much of what I have heard both of the ladies performed and admit consensual sex

The first one got angry when she found out about the second one and togetherboth being pissed enough, made allegations in particular that a condom was not worn on all occasions and another that whilst the second lady was waking up she found assange trying to make love to her even though they had made love earlier

now on the last bit..would a woman be brought to court if she felt horny after a night shagging and decided to wake her man up with a morning bj?

The charges on the first instance were borne out of jealousy and anger and were continued to meet a political agenda and on that basis Sweden was the only place he could have dealt with these charges head on...and I personally feel he would have been cleared

The equadorian embassy move just presses all the wrong buttons and although we all believe in innocent till proven guilty in this case it just throws up very few positives in assanges favour
 
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