Rolf Harris found guilty

[dyna-ti]

Re: Re:

Hopefully the police get to the bottom of the Tory/Westminster paedo ring. I wont hold my breath.

No they wont.and dont, as youll pass out

Apparently the files were lost.I suppose for lost we could say destroyed
The possibility that the files were destroyed in the months after the first suspect allegations were made in the 80's is about as strong as the possibility that the missing files were destroyed within days of the story breaking last week.



Rolf ?? I didnt believe it at first and went along with the jokes - "Can you tell what it is yet ?. It's a fit up mate". But now the case is over and details have emerged like his computer web searchers theres little doubt.

Rod Hull :shock:

 

[Chopper the ex Copper]

I am none the wiser. How can redefining the act itself, in whatever way, change its status in criminal terms? They are two separate things.

Me too. You'd need to ask the sandal wearing eggheads who come up with this tripe.

 

[highlandsflyer]

Re:

i don't think we can lay blame at the feet of policy makes, social workers or such. Clearly the police have questions to answer about their handling of multiple reports, and organisations like the government and the BBC have questions to answer.

Ultimately though, we should never lose sight of the perpetrators as fully culpable.

The arguments of illness, momentary loss of reason, sanity or whatever else are merely mitigations that are for courts to deal with.

The bottom line is these are criminal acts, and these monsters are criminals.

Burn them!

 

[technodup]

Until we have actual punishment like castration or death it doesn't really make any difference. Paedos should hang. How does an extra few months or years on a sentence have any real effect on the paedo, give the victim any closure or improve public confidence?

One offence and I'd lock them up for life in a non segregated ward- let them take their chances with prison justice. For these historic multiple offenders they need their balls cutting off with a rusty knife then dangle them from a rope.

If we look east there's a whole range of creative punishments, whipping, stoning, chopping of hands etc. All we've got is prison, suspendeds i.e. threat of prison, or community service. None of which are appropriate for many crimes, Rolf's included.

You're talking some sense here, but given your prior posting history I think you're more looking for a justifiable excuse to cause suffering than anything else. You've certainly relished the prospect of people suffering in the past, even without them being rapists or nonces, or even adults.

Quote? Or pish?

I've seen more than enough cases of evil raping sods get off scott free because the victim wasn't "credible" to the entirely uninterested desk jockey they reported it to.

That cuts both ways, e.g. the recent Oxford union president called a rapist and proved not to be. Without the benefit of a court, evidence and other such triviality how can you justifiably call anyone an evil rapist? Regardless of your beliefs or an alleged victim's circumstances one is innocent until proven otherwise. That guy will have that stigma and suspicion with him forever now, and all for a false claim from some stupid wee boot whose anonymity s protected? **** that.

 

[dyna-ti]

Without the benefit of a court, evidence and other such triviality how can you justifiably call anyone an evil rapist? Regardless of your beliefs or an alleged victim's circumstances one is innocent until proven otherwise. That guy will have that stigma and suspicion with him forever now, and all for a false claim from some stupid wee boot whose anonymity s protected? f**k that.

But had we listened to others posting here he'd be killed in a vigilante attack, just for the accusation.
Then found innocent OOPS :?

Let the law decide on this issue
Personally, i feel they should be locked up permanently and look on this as a mental disorder and not a criminal act :?

 

[Neil]

Without the benefit of a court, evidence and other such triviality how can you justifiably call anyone an evil rapist? Regardless of your beliefs or an alleged victim's circumstances one is innocent until proven otherwise. That guy will have that stigma and suspicion with him forever now, and all for a false claim from some stupid wee boot whose anonymity s protected? f**k that.

But had we listened to others posting here he'd be killed in a vigilante attack, just for the accusation.
Then found innocent OOPS :?

Let the law decide on this issue
Personally, i feel they should be locked up permanently and look on this as a mental disorder and not a criminal act :?

According to the mental health people, though - it's NOT a mental health disorder.

They are not without responsibility - I doubt any of them really thought they were doing nothing wrong. I do buy the notion that it's not choice, that something at an imprinting period in their lives has made them that way - don't stats show an not insignificant number of abused people in turn becoming abusers.

All the same, that doesn't disown them from responsibility - where crimes are committed, they are truly crimes. I don't buy that any of these people had true psychological issues that somehow made them not responsible for their actions.

I also get the rejection for blood lust. It's not going to solve anything other than make a few people - perhaps a tad unbalanced themselves - get some form of satisfaction from the suffering of somebody else (be they guilty or otherwise). You have to know and understand your enemy - that's the key - not just dismissal and vigilantism.

 

[suburbanreuben]

]That cuts both ways, e.g. the recent Oxford union president called a rapist and proved not to be.

But was he proven innocent? I thought the case was abandoned through lack of evidence.
Not quite the same thing.

 

[Neil]

That cuts both ways, e.g. the recent Oxford union president called a rapist and proved not to be.

But was he proven innocent? I thought the case was abandoned through lack of evidence.
Not quite the same thing.

Wasn't it shown that at least one of his accusers was lying?

 

[suburbanreuben]

That cuts both ways, e.g. the recent Oxford union president called a rapist and proved not to be.

But was he proven innocent? I thought the case was abandoned through lack of evidence.
Not quite the same thing.

Wasn't it shown that at least one of his accusers was lying?

Really? I didn't know that.
Is she to face charges?

 

[dyna-ti]

Without the benefit of a court, evidence and other such triviality how can you justifiably call anyone an evil rapist? Regardless of your beliefs or an alleged victim's circumstances one is innocent until proven otherwise. That guy will have that stigma and suspicion with him forever now, and all for a false claim from some stupid wee boot whose anonymity s protected? f**k that.

But had we listened to others posting here he'd be killed in a vigilante attack, just for the accusation.
Then found innocent OOPS :?

Let the law decide on this issue
Personally, i feel they should be locked up permanently and look on this as a mental disorder and not a criminal act :?

According to the mental health people, though - it's NOT a mental health disorder.

They are not without responsibility - I doubt any of them really thought they were doing nothing wrong. I do buy the notion that it's not choice, that something at an imprinting period in their lives has made them that way - don't stats show an not insignificant number of abused people in turn becoming abusers.

All the same, that doesn't disown them from responsibility - where crimes are committed, they are truly crimes. I don't buy that any of these people had true psychological issues that somehow made them not responsible for their actions.

I also get the rejection for blood lust. It's not going to solve anything other than make a few people - perhaps a tad unbalanced themselves - get some form of satisfaction from the suffering of somebody else (be they guilty or otherwise). You have to know and understand your enemy - that's the key - not just dismissal and vigilantism.

I agree completely
Only i cannot fathom how a sane person can inflict such cruelty on another innocent human being who is vulnerable due to age. People that treat others in such a selfish manner are usually classed as sociopaths ?
funny thing about the extreme end at the psychopaths seems to be that they dont want to be caught either :? yet theyre not classed wholly as criminals.