Parts , bikes and project bikes

[juvela]

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svenskaaeroplanaktigborg -

appears/sounds like you have the necessary kitting pretty well in order now

hast thee made any decision regarding transfers?

leave them be as they are?

look into making replicas?

other?

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Huret -

doth Sasaki make any mention of an iteration of the Super Touring with articulated pulley plates?

recall seeing such a beast in the parts bin of a LBS in 1972

possible it may have been fabricated by an enthusiast as a means of creating additional chain wrap

instead of two plates there were four connected via a rivet or hinge mechanism and sprung so that they folded up upon each other when relaxed

saw no indication of such a model either at disraeli or amongst the catalogues found

am quite aged so possible this may be the faulty "memory" of an elderly geezer...

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[SteelNipple]

svenskaaeroplanaktigborg -

appears/sounds like you have the necessary kitting pretty well in order now

hast thee made any decision regarding transfers?

leave them be as they are?

look into making replicas?

other?

Still need to find seatpost, old M7 bolts for the chainrings and brake levers.

I don't really see the value in full visual restorations, maybe if the bike was in really bad shape and/or really rare one, but on this all the decals are good considering it has been used "daily" for over 60 years and is now 70 years old.
I still haven't washed it from all the dust accumulated over the years it sat in the storage so maybe it looks worse in the pictures.

If I did the paint and transfers then I would need to get crank that's in better condition, 50's wheel set for sew-ups etc.
With original paint and deacals I think the bike "tells" a better story with all the scars and marks.
My goal is usually to make it ridable and get the catalog correct components or period correct if they are better or at more reasonable price.

Huret -

doth Sasaki make any mention of an iteration of the Super Touring with articulated pulley plates?

I don't actually own the books, but I would love to. I found a German online store that sells them, so I maybe get one or two at some point.

recall seeing such a beast in the parts bin of a LBS in 1972

possible it may have been fabricated by an enthusiast as a means of creating additional chain wrap

instead of two plates there were four connected via a rivet or hinge mechanism and sprung so that they folded up upon each other when relaxed

saw no indication of such a model either at disraeli or amongst the catalogues found

am quite aged so possible this may be the faulty "memory" of an elderly geezer...

Really!? This one?

"US application filed December 1970, French application filed March 1970"

The patent for Huret Duopar was applied in '73.

Source: https://www.disraeligears.co.uk/site/us_patent_3677103_-_huret.html

 

[juvela]

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Thank you!

Yes, the mech I saw all those years ago looked more like the drawing in the patent record you posted than like the production Duopar with which we are all familiar.

Reassuring to learn me "memory" was not making it up!

Shall look forward to seeing Herr 303 whenever he is completed.

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[Woz]

Love this. There's like "cobbled together" but it is not "cobbled together". On the functioning limit. Lovely build.

 

[SteelNipple]

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Thank you!

Yes, the mech I saw all those years ago looked more like the drawing in the patent record you posted than like the production Duopar with which we are all familiar.

Reassuring to learn me "memory" was not making it up!

Shall look forward to seeing Herr 303 whenever he is completed.

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I have another project that's been waiting to have the proper parts that I'll try to finish first.

Here's a few clues.

 

[SteelNipple]

Love this. There's like "cobbled together" but it is not "cobbled together". On the functioning limit. Lovely build.

View attachment 1009563

Thanks, it's a bit rough the frame, and the rear fender line is awful.
Getting the right fit is always a challange. I'm about 186cm with 86-87cm inseam and this frame is 57cm c-c? Anyway I lowered the seat post a few cm from what it was in the picture.
The 180deg. lever throw on the FD is too much so I will take the triple TA rings off and put the Stronglight 49d rings that came with the crank back on there. Weirdly both front and rear shift really well. The chain is old Sedis chain that was under 0.75% of wear and the freewheel is Atom with the "S.G.D.G." stamped on, so made before 1968?
Only thing is that because of the toothless lower pulley the chain moves around more and rubs on the pulley cage. I aligned the hanger and chainline is good, but on large-large it starts to make itself heard.

 

[juvela]

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I have another project that's been waiting to have the proper parts that I'll try to finish first.

Here's a few clues.
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pre-mcmlxvii

oytoy w/qlty plain gauge tubing...Falck?

possible temporal conflict betwixt Fratelli Pietra cccvi's and chainset

for this date pivot screw (part nr. 359) should be ottone

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Freres Huret addendum(b) -

recalled that mech seen in bin at LBS had been seriously torsioned (pretzelated!)

recall being struck at how spindly and vulnerable looking it was, a victim of some form of misadventure

t'was in a bin o' deceased mechs which were being retained against possible ricambi cannibalisation


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[SteelNipple]

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pre-mcmlxvii

oytoy w/qlty plain gauge tubing...Falck?

possible temporal conflict betwixt Fratelli Pietra cccvi's and chainset

for this date pivot screw (part nr. 359) should be ottone

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Freres Huret addendum(b) -

recalled that mech seen in bin at LBS had been seriously torsioned (pretzelated!)

recall being struck at how spindly and vulnerable looking it was, a victim of some form of misadventure

t'was in a bin o' deceased mechs which were being retained against possible ricambi cannibalisation


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Early 60s, top model. I have not specified the tubing. Sister model had Falck stays and fork.

Yes, the correct levers should be mod.61 or pre '68 301/306. Only original parts left on the bike were brake calipers and hangers, headset, FD and maybe the BB cups, but probably not(original most likely "Con Sfere da 3/16").
The seatpost is also later. I think the relief from the shaft to the rail assembly on the first iteration of the Record post is almost 90deg. This has more rounded relief and min. insertion mark so it's post '73 post?

Notice how I said, a few posts back, that I don't see value in visual restorations and something about "catalog correct components", well this is "budget component visual" restoration.

Half of the levers sold have the old crusty hood covering the screw and the other half are the later ones.
But I found one set of 51 levers with fully open back for sale only for fair price of 200€. Would be great on the Monark...

Hunting for the correct, correct components would equal to better condition "one of these" models.

 

[juvela]

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"Con Sfere da 3/16"

only produced anno domini MCMLXIII

shall require a Record model anterior mech with a housing stop - $$$

Record model stern mech nominally launched December 'lxiii so would be marginally plausible to employ...

Ambrosio Champion stem & bar set

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"The 180deg. lever throw on the FD is too much so I will take the triple TA rings off and put the Stronglight 49d rings that came with the crank back on there."

Freres Huret drum size


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[SteelNipple]

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"Con Sfere da 3/16"

only produced anno domini MCMLXIII

Georg Fischer, BB surfaces have been faced down to 68mm.

shall require a Record model anterior mech with a housing stop - $$$

I have two of those. The bike came with one.

Record model stern mech nominally launched December 'lxiii so would be marginally plausible to employ...

Record or Gran Sport. Have both, but maybe I'll use the Record as other parts are later 60s.

Ambrosio Champion stem & bar set

Have the laurel and shield/knight crest mod. 64 bars with three knurled rings and 1A "Cinelli Milano" stem.

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"The 180deg. lever throw on the FD is too much so I will take the triple TA rings off and put the Stronglight 49d rings that came with the crank back on there."

Freres Huret drum size


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frère meaning brother? The levers are the older Allvit and FD is Huret 600.


To add to the previos, when I say original I usually mean what I think the bike was first equipped with and not what it had when I got it. With this one I don't if it was sold as in catalog, as custom order or frame only. The rear brake is a mismatch, it's the Weinmann Vainqueur 999 with recessed lettering and 1 spring.