Parts , bikes and project bikes

[SteelNipple]

could see no impact stress markings in the usual places from your posted images

wonder if it was made with this error

once encountered an odd head misalignment on a 1973 Raleigh RRA

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evidently Raleigh had their mitre cutter mis-set such that when the head was pressed onto the top & down it sat off-centre when looking straight down on the frame -

- one of those misalignments which is not coldsetable...

Could've been made like that. I'll take a closer look at it at some point. I would need to find a place that has a good welding/machine table to see if I could use it to cold set the head tube and check the rest of the frame. Or alternatively just use a bench vice.

Those Raleigh RRA's are great looking bikes.

 

[SteelNipple]

While I will stand corrected, I believe that pictured headset is potentially a mish-mash.

Parts from three headsets, Stronglight for the lock-nut, Torevess for the locking washer, and RFG(?) for the cups.

Understandable too to replace worn bearing surfaces with something French and a low stack height.

Looks like you are correct, definitely a Stronglight lock-nut on that. I hadn't really looked at it and thought it was a Stronglight P3 headset, but then I saw the Torevess print while taking those pictures of the frame.

 

[juvela]

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fergawt to menshun -

Torevess also a perpetrator o' bottom bracket assemblies:



here is an image of a stock Torevess jeu de direction as worn by an Allegro:




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[SteelNipple]

Some progress
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Every bearing surface is regreased.
For the Stronglight/TA triple crank the BB spindle needed to be 128mm and for 68mm bracked I only had a 130mm mystery cheapo one, but the surfaces were good.
The headset was set really tight by the previous owner and the bearings had indented the races...
Seatpost is really scrached and the cap between the post binder ears was too narrow/non-parallel.

The blue Bluemel Club Specials are from 70s/80s and are the quick on/off type with wing nuts and clip on mounts. The front one doesn't quite fit as can be seen in the photo. I'd rather not cut the front one to clear where it hits the front lower of the crown.
So downsize to 700c or try on chromed steel fenders with black striping that are from the 60s.

Huret Allvit gears, leather saddle, blue or black cotton bartape, black cable housings.

 

[SteelNipple]

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fergawt to menshun -

Torevess also a perpetrator o' bottom bracket assemblies:

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here is an image of a stock Torevess jeu de direction as worn by an Allegro:

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That upper cone looks similar to the one on the red Lejeune. Both have vertical knurling. I have lock-nuts like that, but I think all are for 1"

 

[juvela]

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Could've been made like that. I'll take a closer look at it at some point. I would need to find a place that has a good welding/machine table to see if I could use it to cold set the head tube and check the rest of the frame.

Marchetti e Lange!

Or alternatively just use a bench vice.

Those Raleigh RRA's are great looking bikes.

Loved mine, purchased new at local Sir Wally emporium in March of '74.

Owner gave me a reduced price out of the blue, without me saying anything!

Was dosh challenged so made a deposit and came back for it some days later after making some sales.

It turned out to be just right for me. "disappeared" beneath me the fit and comfort were so good.

Example with mis-mitred tubes was a second one purchased pre-owned. It had been badly crashed anyway so knew it would need a top n' down.


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[juvela]

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Every bearing surface is regreased.
For the Stronglight/TA triple crank the BB spindle needed to be 128mm and for 68mm bracked I only had a 130mm mystery cheapo one, but the surfaces were good.
The headset was set really tight by the previous owner and the bearings had indented the races...
Seatpost is really scrached and the cap between the post binder ears was too narrow/non-parallel.

The blue Bluemel Club Specials are from 70s/80s and are the quick on/off type with wing nuts and clip on mounts. The front one doesn't quite fit as can be seen in the photo. I'd rather not cut the front one to clear where it hits the front lower of the crown.
So downsize to 700c or try on chromed steel fenders with black striping that are from the 60s.

Huret Allvit gears, leather saddle, blue or black cotton bartape, black cable housings.

pardon me aged "braine/memory" but what annum hast thee been able to determine for Herr Den Beste?

spindle -

for the three plateau, if using SPECTA the model would be a Nr. 374, if using Verot the model would be the Nr. 125

SPECTA also offered the odd Nr. 373 which is something of a "tweener" length - can be employed as a long double or as a short triple

Herr DBS's OEM cable casing was silver, you would want the special small diameter silver casing for the Huret gear ensemble

P3 brinneling -

you could mark the two pressed in head tube races and their seats with a pen or crayon, remove them and then remount a half ball thickness away

this will reduce the ratcheted feel of the mechanism

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[SteelNipple]

pardon me aged "braine/memory" but what annum hast thee been able to determine for Herr Den Beste?

Not with 100% certainty. The Super Sport model was in production from '61 to '71.
This DBS from 1967 shown here http://www.cykelhobby.com/dbs competition.html has very similar frame number (SN.2999586, mine is SN.2926716), so I would say, based on the first two numbers, that it is from about the same year.
This one, supposedly from 1970, SN.3562347 https://filmantrop.no/omd/tidligere-sykler-i-mitt-eie/dbs-super-sport-1970

Edit. Now with 100% certainty.
I found a website that has yearly serial numbers and production numbers for all DBS/Øglænd frames manufactured between 1930 and 1998 by Jonas Øglænd AS in Sandnes, Norway. The SN is really just the number of total production by then. And my one is, according to the site, from 1967.

Original components to the bike were the UnicaNitor saddle, Weinmann Vainqueur 610/750 red label brakes, Atom pedals, the Nisi/Maillard 700 wheels (from '73?), first iteration Campagnolo Strada 144bcd cranks, NR BB with flat surface DS cup, and the last version Gran Sport RD.
The Titan seatpost maybe had a date stamp, I'll look.

No information to be found on the Weinmanns. Red label, but no "999". Gray/brown pushings and "U" shaped centering steel between the brake arms. Need to look if those have a date stamp.

spindle -

or the three plateau, if using SPECTA the model would be a Nr. 374, if using Verot the model would be the Nr. 125

SPECTA also offered the odd Nr. 373 which is something of a "tweener" length - can be employed as a long double or as a short triple

The spindle I used was asymmetric and leaves maybe 4-5mm of air between the inside of the inner ring and the chainstay. I'll maybe take it apart and see if the longer side went to the NDS by mistake and measure the lenght from the DS to the center of the spindle (minus 2-3mm) to see what what the shortest lenght for that crank/frame is.

Herr DBS's OEM cable casing was silver, you would want the special small diameter silver casing for the Huret gear ensemble

Found some silver housing I had.
The typical vintage 4mm wound bare metal casing or coated ones with checkered texture and raised lines?

P3 brinneling -

you could mark the two pressed in head tube races and their seats with a pen or crayon, remove them and then remount a half ball thickness away

this will reduce the ratcheted feel of the mechanism

Thanks for the advice!

 

[juvela]

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thank you!

"Original components to the bike were the UnicaNitor saddle, Weinmann Vainqueur 610/750 red label brakes, Atom pedals, the Nisi/Maillard 700 wheels (from '73?), first iteration Campagnolo Strada 144bcd cranks, NR BB with flat surface DS cup, and the last version Gran Sport RD.
The Titan seatpost maybe had a date stamp, I'll look."

given the context take "Original components" to mean "as found"

yes, '73 was the launch annum for the Maillard 700 hub

actual manufacturer was Etablissements Perrin et Courson, makers of Pelissier, Exceltoo & New Star brand hubs



trade publication advert of '73, this date also first year for black plastic on the nuts of the QR skewers and first year for curved levers

enjoy the aesthetic and quality of the product
one downside is the design of the seats for the bearing cups
"usually" cup & cone bearing hubs with a one-piece alloy shell are designed with a bit of open space behind the inner edge of the cup such that the hole in the barrel is of larger diameter than the hole in the bearing cup
this design allows one easy replacement of bearing cup by knocking it out with a drift punch
on the 700 the bearing seat is square in cross section with the inside diameter of the shell being smaller than the inside diameter of the cup rendering cup removal a challenge

Courson had been an independent producer of cycle fittings at least as far back as the 1920's
they were the owner/creator of the Exceltoo name

have not as yet learned year of their union with Perrin


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[SteelNipple]

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thank you!

"Original components to the bike were the UnicaNitor saddle, Weinmann Vainqueur 610/750 red label brakes, Atom pedals, the Nisi/Maillard 700 wheels (from '73?), first iteration Campagnolo Strada 144bcd cranks, NR BB with flat surface DS cup, and the last version Gran Sport RD.
The Titan seatpost maybe had a date stamp, I'll look."

given the context take "Original components" to mean "as found"

yes, '73 was the launch annum for the Maillard 700 hub

actual manufacturer was Etablissements Perrin et Courson, makers of Pelissier, Exceltoo & New Star brand hubs

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trade publication advert of '73, this date also first year for black plastic on the nuts of the QR skewers and first year for curved levers


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Yes as found, but the owner told me that all, apart from the cockpit, was original to the bike as the bike was a custom ordered with those parts from Jonas Øglænd to the bike shop his family owned back then. I think he recalled it was for his brother in the early 70s and then later it was handed to him.
Could be that the frame was old stock or that the wheels were changed at some point.

I think the shop mostly sold more cheaper Øglænd models under the Fennia brand in the 60s/70s.

Most of the 60s/70s budget sport bikes and city bikes sold here had welded frames made by Øglænd.
I got one (for parts) branded as "Strada" (DBS Golden Beam 5) and sold by Finnish retailing conglomerate Kesko Corporation. It was dark green step through with fauber crank, 1x5 speed with Simplex S100 Prestige RD, Weinmann brakes, upright handlebars, 590 wheels with Weinmann rims.
It was going to the dump as it had many spokes broken at the "j" bend. The wheels were laced so that at the last crossing the spokes did not interlace, but I can't say if that was the cause.