P7 or Pure 7

[dyna-ti]

OO-ER modern content but a valid point.

I've just bought a Orange pure 7 frame and bits and wondered the real differences between it and a P7 and if those were a help or a hindrance,in that the steel used in the P7 is of better quality, thinner,lighter etc but does than mean its more fragile and perhaps not as robust against damage from knocks,bumps and falls?.
Both the p7 and clockwork were meant to be real workhorses able to shift from race bike to commuter to tourer.I just wonder if the tubing will last.

Only having had a clockwork i lusted over the P7,id have preferred to own it but the frame was 100 quid more than i had so that was that.[And i was very happy with my 'clocky' ]
Sold it years ago but ive been toying with buying another clockwork or P7 for a runabout for the shopping etc and happened upon the pure7 for a very good price and snapped it up.
On comparing it on the Orange website to the 'proper' P7 the differences are only the tubing,that being Double-Butted Cro Mo Steel on the Pure and Reynolds 631 Double-Butted Cro Mo Steel on the P7.

So is the Pure7 closer to the original P7 and the current P7 could be viewed as possibly,perhaps just another generic modern design,albeit high end :?
Pure and P7 here- http://www.orangebikes.co.uk/bikes/pure-7/

Hope i haven't offended anyone





Adjustable/Sliding dropout :shock: To each his own :?

 

[jonnyboy666]

the pure 7 is an awesome frame.

when the P7 went to it's more modern freeride/abuse orientated build they didn't really then leave themselves with a more normal xc bike. the pure7 was that new bike, xc/trail bike, light enough but strong enough, my mate adam has one, and on roadtrips with me to wales and scotland for some abusive trail centre riding it has been awesome

 

[barry2017]

631 is quite a thick walled tube. I wouldn't worry about damaging it. Higher end frames with stronger but thinner tubes pick up damage more easily.

In short, don't worry about it.

 

[beagle]

The R8 (which they stopped doing last year) was probably closest thing to the original P7, more of an XC bike designed for a 100mm fork. That frame was 853 tubing, I had one and it rode well.

But all three are pretty generic modern steel frames, IMO.

 

[dyna-ti]

Should be arriving mid week so im really looking forward to looking it over. :? though i get the impression it will arrive in some bubblewrap and a binbag :shock:

Looking at the spec you normally get on there for a grand, the frame must be not too bad cos the package isnt an Alivio/deore mix with an upgraded rear mech as per is a bit low end for the money.Maybe on a £600 build but @ a £1000 you'd expect LX[slx] at least.Maybe reasonable 5 series deore brakes in place of the elixir 3's.


I really liked seeing Hope pro 2's being used where most manufacturers are speccing deore on the same level of build.

 

[barry2017]

Personally, if I were to want a new bike, I would rather have cheap components on a good frame.