Orange. . . . .Formula?????

[sausagefingers]

The cash offer of 500 was mine so thanks very much for that.

 

[gibbleking]

can some one explain this frame to me as i dont have a clue(makes a change) the history /back ground..ive never really gone for an orange but this sounds interesting..

 

[Coleman]

The cash offer of 500 was mine so thanks very much for that.

No problem

To be honest I think expecting to close a low ball deal on a bike as well publicised and sought after as this was maybe a bit of a school boy error - the chap has had most of the RB world in touch from the sounds of it from the time Luke outed it.

Good luck with your bid though

 

[gingernuts/badger]

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2/d/3 ... 02501c2fab

That's it in the '91 catalogue ( and the one I'd want too if I was being honest )

It was the Handmade/custom Orange rather than made abroad - finished on Hanson Lane in Halifax ones. Very lustful.

What's next ?
A Tushingham turning up ?


It might as well, I've managed to get 2 on 'the list' this week !

 

[Coleman]

It might as well, I've managed to get 2 on 'the list' this week !

Good work - do tell more!

 

[Coleman]

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2/d/3350-2/orange_1991_brochure.pdf?g2_GALLERYSID=ec08b505ad2fc99e5b272d02501c2fab

That's it in the '91 catalogue ( and the one I'd want too if I was being honest )

It was the Handmade/custom Orange rather than made abroad - finished on Hanson Lane in Halifax ones. Very lustful.

That's the one. As I remember it was fillet brazed but it had very small fillets on it - very neat - got to be #1 on my wanted list I think.

 

[sinnerman]

Going to have a look at this on the way home today - I will get some decent pics, measurements, serial numbers etc and post them up here.

If anyone wants something in particular let me know.

The chap asked me if he should accept a cash offer of £500, I advised against it and seeing as it cleared £550 last night only just into the start of the listing I was probably right.

If he lets the auction run then the £1000 mark may not be far off - the 753 Zinn went for more that that - it scored points on condition and original parts but isn't as rare or mythical a beast, it is a beauty though Carl

Does anyone know how many of the wishbone stay formulas were made? Are they in addition to the 8 (2 yates and 6 donahue) that have the fast back stays? Has anyone seen one recently? Dam I'd like one of those!

If he lets the auction run then the £1000 mark may not be far off - the 753 Zinn went for more that that -


Or did it...?

And the rarity question...? in terms of numbers made bitd, quite right. But then it depends what your motivations are for buying/wanting it in the first place.

The Zinn is a totally different bike, than the formula shown.

The Zinn was then and still is now, one of the only models i had seen to use the new dedicated 753 atb tubeset, even the lloyd is a 753 road tube.

Add to this the head gusset, the only uk frame i had seen using it in 1990.
And it wasnt tig welded, but instead was mini fillet brazed.

Lots of factors come into play for me as a buyer, the tubeset, the components being campagnolo and a full european spec dictated to me its worth.

Rare and mythical....it all depends on what you see when you look at it to my mind.


The Formula pictured, is a different proposition for me. I would certainly consider this a more important frame and fork than the wishbone black model shown in the catalogue link above, purely because it predates it.

Im guessing but i would say its 89/90, therefore i would want to bin a lot of the components, which arent correct for the year not by a country mile.

And this would make me want to rebuild it to a period correct bike, A big factor for me when bidding on any bike.

This bike is rare, but to me only worth really big money with the original spec, but that said, i wouldnt think twice about it, as with all this stuff its about the frame and fork, the rest can be rebuilt at quite a reasonable cost.

 

[Coleman]

If he lets the auction run then the £1000 mark may not be far off - the 753 Zinn went for more that that -

Or did it...?

The auction did - which means at least 2 people valued it at that price at the time of sale - I know the sale fell through and you got it for less

And the rarity question...? in terms of numbers made bitd, quite right.

That is what I was refering to - overall numbers made.

The Zinn is a totally different bike, than the formula shown.

Agreed - and for all the reasons you mention that is why I think the formula will make similar money despite being rarer - pros and cons to both.

its about the frame and fork, the rest can be rebuilt at quite a reasonable cost.

Exactly - the rest is window dressing and is abundant - the value in this bike is the frame, its rarity and its place in the history and formative years of a successful and popular UK bike brand.

If I had the choice between this and your Zinn 753 it would be a very hard one to make, either way you would end up with a rare and special bike For me I think it would be the Zinn though, just because...

 

[sinnerman]

If he lets the auction run then the £1000 mark may not be far off - the 753 Zinn went for more that that -

Or did it...?

The auction did - which means at least 2 people valued it at that price at the time of sale - I know the sale fell through and you got it for less

And the rarity question...? in terms of numbers made bitd, quite right.

That is what I was refering to - overall numbers made.

The Zinn is a totally different bike, than the formula shown.

Agreed - and for all the reasons you mention that is why I think the formula will make similar money despite being rarer - pros and cons to both.

its about the frame and fork, the rest can be rebuilt at quite a reasonable cost.

Exactly - the rest is window dressing and is abundant - the value in this bike is the frame, its rarity and its place in the history and formative years of a successful and popular UK bike brand.

If I had the choice between this and your Zinn 753 it would be a very hard one to make, either way you would end up with a rare and special bike For me I think it would be the Zinn though, just because...

The thing that intrigues me the most about this, is a point you made earlier.

If you look at the frame, design, geometry etc its very of its time, and as you say Overburys to look at.

It raises so many questions for me....given the orange/overburys thing at the time. and especially after the whole Tusingham thing over the past couple of weeks, what an amzing couple of weeks it has been.

I would very much like to see this bike back to its Original Condition and spec, and i hope the winner has the forsight to see it done.

Its another Part of that whole early story for me, and therfore a very significant bike, and clearly being regarded as such.

Did you have any luck with the details, more info when you passed by on your way home....?

 

[sausagefingers]

well,it's nearly at the magical thousand - waaaayy over my budget
where are the extra pics and info we were promised