Odd Benotto?

[Jiveman60]

The decals look like ones used on Benotto 5000 in the mid 80s. So possibly repainted?
Does it have braze-on RD cable stop?
Can you meassure the seat tube ID?
Pictures of the underside of BB shell.

It does, a Campag type on top of the stay, and strangley further from the drop out than all the Benottos I can see?
I'll have to check again, but it's over 2mm at the top!!!
The BB shell has absolutley no markings, just two ovalised cut outs. Posting an image of another frame, but exactly the same as mine.

 

[Jiveman60]

I don't think I'll ever know what it is. Weighed it again at my mates workshop and we got 2.7kg frame and fork.
I'll repaint it in classic Benotto champagne.
Then build it up, I have early 600 except the bolt on calipers, but I can convert some. And I have a hardly used wheelset with MA2 rims.
Plus of course a Cinelli Olympic stem and criterium bars.
Not exotic, but ideal for future historics.

 

[petgel]

It’s an 800 frame with a higher spec fork from a 2500 or 3000. Probably Columbus SL fork but frame will be Tange or ishwata

 

[Jiveman60]

It’s an 800 frame with a higher spec fork from a 2500 or 3000. Probably Columbus SL fork but frame will be Tange or ishwata

It seems different to all the 800s I can find, as in mine has no mudguard eyes and has Benotto ends not Suntour. Plus the frame and forks have matching numbers. The braze ons are pointing to 1978. But I'll look into Ishwata and Tange, they also used Oria.

 

[petgel]

It seems different to all the 800s I can find, as in mine has no mudguard eyes and has Benotto ends not Suntour. Plus the frame and forks have matching numbers. The braze ons are pointing to 1978. But I'll look into Ishwata and Tange, they also used Oria.

Mmmm that’s unusual. But having said that in that era, late 70s early 80 there was no set dates for model years. If they had a batch of dropouts from previous years they just use them. The frame is certainly a lower end model due to the fairly crude chainstay to bottom bracket cutouts and I have had at least a couple of 800s exactly like this frame. My first “proper” road bike was a tange tubed 800 which was exactly like this except the seat stay caps were the older embossed benotto type without an oval around the “Benotto”. At the time (about 1981/2) the frame and fork waa £75 with Tange tubing and the columbus SL models started at around £225. The 800 is actually a really nice frame to ride and was negligibly heavier but was considered a bargain frame at the time as pretty well made a a low price point.