Mobile Camera Units, Parking In The Sunset?

[sylus]

Russell, the only patronizing comments came when you introduced this and continued with silly comments that followed the same direction

Sylus, if you place the same value on objects as on human life, I truly feel sorry for you.

As to your highlandsflyer comment I thought it was unecessary and irrelevant to the conversation.

The discussion was about speed cameras and the falsehood that speed kills..speed itself does not kill despite your mantra it does decide the damage and so is the consequence..other facts that speed cameras do not address such as lack of concentration, poor equipment, poor/no training etc cause the accident and correctly I stated speed decides the amount of damage

Like I said, the 'damage' you so blithly dismiss, is a human life

YOU chose to see damage as only meaning human impact conviently ignoring it for nothing more than an exscuse for an internet forum argument

In relation to the actual conversation...THE FACTS russell are that speed cameras are not the saviour of safety because most are placed on roads that are perfectly safe to drive fast and are placed there for for higher revenue ability and not, the protection of the public.

 

[93hero]

I do feel sorry for you Sylus. I'm not patronising you.

What I said was in direct response to one line of something you wrote, I happen to agree with some of the rest of it. That happens in discussions (not arguments.. see?) they may start out about one thing but people say other things and they meander around the topic. So, the discussion might be about speed cameras, but my issue is with the line...

the damage is the damage wether it is to a person or a object

...And as I said, if you can't see that 'the damage' is actually whether or not the person that gets hit lives or dies, then I do feel sorry for you.

You see, it doesn't have to be you that's driving carelessly... You're doing 95mph on a dual carriageway. You're in control. Unfortunately, the guy coming the other way isn't concentrating, he's checking his phone because he got a text message, he's only doing 50mph. He swerves into your path and you crash.

You're right, it is his lack of concentration that caused the accident, but its the fact that you were doing 95mph rather than 60mph that caused your death.

Speed doesn't cause accidents, but it's a deciding factor in whether the occupants of the cars live or not. You might not be able to avoid 'the incident' but you can save a life, your own in the example above, by slowing down.

You may be confident in your own ability as a driver, but if you speed, you increase the risk that yourself or someone else will be killed should some numpty decide that your car is the one they're going to hit.

I'll leave you with this.

At a collision speed of 80kphh, the possibility that the car occupants are killed is about 20 times greater than at a speed of 30kph.

From this study..

http://www.swov.nl/rapport/Factsheets/UK/FS_Speed.pdf

Unemotional, fact. I'm out

 

[Neil]

Speed doesn't cause accidents

No argument with most of your post - just wanted to point out - whilst many keep saying this - and I'd concede, it's probably not the cause of most accidents, I think it's a fallacy to say excessive speed doesn't cause some accidents.

And even in those cases where it's not the direct cause, it can be a contributory factor to the accident occurring.

I'll accept - probably most accidents, the main cause may well not be speed - but I'm fairly sure there's at least some accidents where it is.

 

[IDB1]

Speed doesn't kill, incorrect use of speed kills. It's nit-picking a little but at grass roots it's true.

 

[highlandsflyer]

You're doing 95mph on a dual carriageway. You're in control. Unfortunately, the guy coming the other way isn't concentrating, he's checking his phone because he got a text message, he's only doing 50mph. He swerves into your path and you crash.

I would sure as hell see him coming and take evasive action. That would not be the first time I have encountered a vehicle heading the wrong way up the road.

 

[MikeD]

But that would prove the lie they are there for safety and not as cash cows.

You have curious standards of proof.