Joe Waugh year of manufacture?

estebe

Dirt Disciple
Gentlemen,

I have this joe waugh frame that i plan to refurbish and was wondering if anyone could hepl me with the year it was made. The only marking ( steerer and bb shell) is 7106. Also has Columbus dropouts but reynolds 531 c tubing... Was this common practice? i would have expected campagnolo dropouts with reynolds frame tubing...

Thank you
 

daccordimark

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Can't help you with the year of manufacture but I have a Condor built with Reynolds 531 and Columbus dropouts so not an unknown combination.

Mark.
 

pigman

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I think early 80s when Joe was an international racer
I'm led to believe it was built by Dave yates who built under his own name as well as M.Steel and J Waugh. If that's right, then it's a good frame, cos Dave yates is as good as it gets in frame building
 

estebe

Dirt Disciple
I sure hope it was built by Dave Yeats (as in I know of his reputation as a frame builder), but with my luck the the shop closed down last year and now there is no way of knowing for sure... What makes you believe that it is a Yates built frame? Any hints? Or are you referring to the (disputed as far as I know) fact that Yates produces (most) of the frames built in M. Cycles?

It sure feels like a quality frame , light and has very tidy lug work, I just wish it would have had some engravings like some higher end models?, I mean sans frame decals it would have turned into another please help ID frame threads... I recently saw a lower end Basso frame (columbus Cromor) and must have had 10 different pantographs on the frame/ fork.

Anyways, thanks for the reply.
 

pigman

Senior Retro Guru
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English custom frames are rarely pantographed. The mass produced Italians were good at it
 

estebe

Dirt Disciple
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I think I' ve read this somewhere too, just that i saw a few reynolds 6xx and 8xx Joe Waugh frames which all had pantographs on seatstay lugs/ fork crown...Thank you again for answering, might contact Dave Yates on his website see if he identifies the frame
 

originalshinkicker

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I've seen lots of Joe Waugh frames with Columbus ends. Ends don't link in any way to tubing, I guess builders just had a preference. Dave has a sequential frame number sequence system. I had a late 80s 653 Joe Waugh numbered 4997. There are a few threads on Retrobike with dating info. One thread has a frame in the 67xx range that I think was confirmed by Dave as 1993?

Dave has the records for these frames, so even though M Steels shop is gone, the records still exist. The records were Dave's and he took them when M Steels frame building ceased and he moved down south. I spoke to him about it a few years ago when I did one of his frame building courses. The Joe Waugh name was mainly kept for road frames, and the Dave Yates name was predominantly used on mountain bike frames and M Steel for other things such as touring frames.

I'm sure a message to him will provide you with the build date. I'm not sure if he charges for the info or even how long it will take for a response but he does have it.
 

estebe

Dirt Disciple
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Thank you, I guess I will write him an email. Very nice bike btw!

Edit> Mail sent, see if he replies
 
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