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Chopper1192":9tuvxr4e said:
Hamas are internernationally designated as a terrorist organisation by literally hundreds of other nations because their only manifesto pledge is the destruction of a sovereign and democratic state by the means of unlawful force. Its nothing to do with being friends with anyone, and solely because of their promises and actions.
A sovereign and democratic state eh?
It's a nation that oppresses the people of the areas they illegally occupy (with the support of those "hundreds of nations" who say that the resistance fighters in those areas are terrorist organisations). A nation that commits one genocide after another and turned roughly 6.5 million people into refugees. A nation with an army that shoots its own soldiers when it looks like they'll get captured, then blames the enemy for their death and uses that as an excuse to bomb an entire region to bits. A nation that attacks schools and refugee camps even if the UN tells them more than a dozen times that there is no threat there. A nation whose well-trained army deliberately shoots ambulances and playing children. A nation that gets away with such war crimes with not even the lightest proverbial slap on the wrist.
Hell, I'd try to destroy that too if it were to invade my country.
Of course Hamas pledge the destruction of the state of Israel, what else would you expect? Israel has been stealing nearly all their land, refusing to recognize their sovereignty, destroying their homes and killing/starving/bullying their people for over half a century already.
Your "unlawful force" is only unlawful in the eyes of the few countries who support the Israeli killing machine. Most other people will consider it an extremely desperate form of guerrilla warfare. There are plenty of countries (some even within Europe despite the EU's standpoint) who don't consider Hamas as terrorists but instead as freedom fighters.
There aren't "literally hundreds of nations" who call Hamas a terrorist organisation. Instead it's a small minority.
For starters there are only 196 nations in the entire world (197 if you count Taiwan as a sovereign nation).
Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization only by Israel, the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, the European Union (15 countries at the time of the vote), Jordan, Egypt, Australia, and Japan. That's 23 out of 196 countries, or less than 15%. If you wish to argue that the EU now has 28 member states, it's still a mere 36 countries (or less than 20%) representing around 1.2 billion people (again less than 20% of the Earth's population).
The UN clearly determined the Israeli borders in 1947 and early 48. However on the very same day Israel was officially founded, they started to claim East Jerusalem, the areas on both sides of the main road to Jerusalem and Western Galilee, areas which were clearly marked as Palestinian soil by the UN.
When the neighboring countries intervened in those areas in an attempt to stop further bloodshed (read the cablegram from the Arab League to the UN on May 15th 194
, Israel declared war on them. They got themselves more weapons, got us to look the other way and then turned the tables on the Arabs, annexing the entire west bank, the Sinai Peninsula, South Lebanon, Gaza and the Golan Heights in the process. They had to give up Southern Libanon and the Sinai Peninsula after peace negotiations, but kept occupying the rest.
The UN security council officially states that the Golan Heights, the west bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem are still illegally occupied, but don't dare to lift a finger. Any action against Israel would prove that they were wrong when they came up with the British Mandate for Palestine in 1922. (be sure to read up on that, it's actually all the UK's fault to begin with. You're the ones who started relocating the Palestinians in 1917 to put jews on their land)
