Titanium frames

[davidj]

whereas steel or Ti will last.

Depending on the weld/braze/join quality.

Poorly welded Ti is little better than aluminium, and there is a lot of badly welded Ti out there (either from when they turned the tubes into a frame or when they rolled and seam welded the tubes.)

Steel, on the other hand, you need to be *really* bad at welding to have a significant effect on durability. (unless you are talking some of the more "antique" and/or fancy steels that needed silver soldering etc.)

Mattr, you have caused me to look at the Orange P7 again.