I can't believe you don't like it. I think it is tremendousBut at least surly offers great modern versatility with a sort of retro mindset
I do not dislike it, it is essentially just a late 80s ATB with 650b rim brake offering. I'm saying I think it's too expensive, and as I said earlier, I also find Surly too expensive, despite liking their stuff.I can't believe you don't like it. I think it is tremendous
I do not disagree the price is high. But what else is there? Cheaper frames are heavy and hard. Other than that there are vintage bicycles, but this comes with its own set of problems. I think this is a very good offering. They are still a small business and I wouldn't have been surprised if it had been a lot more expensive. For a wider tyre, 650b may be ideal, I'd love to try it. I think I am going for the pre-order.I do not dislike it, it is essentially just a late 80s ATB with 650b rim brake offering. I'm saying I think it's too expensive, and as I said earlier, I also find Surly too expensive, despite liking their stuff.
I think there's a tendency now to produce even more retro adjacent 4130 offerings, with similar sales mindset to Surly (versatility, inspired by geometries of the best but with more modern capabilities), but instead of competing price wise it's just all too expensive for what it is. I think the frameset looks fine, and for those that like 650b (I myself never was convinced) it's a solid option. I just wouldn't pay that much.
You have a knack for minimising my pessimismI do not disagree the price is high. But what else is there? Cheaper frames are heavy and hard. Other than that there are vintage bicycles, but this comes with its own set of problems. I think this is a very good offering. They are still a small business and I wouldn't have been surprised if it had been a lot more expensive. For a wider tyre, 650b may be ideal, I'd love to try it. I think I am going for the pre-order.
Yes, Russ is definitely at the forefront of reclaiming ATB. I use it to describe my bikes now as well.Russ at the Path Less Pedaled vlog has been talking ATB for a year or so now. When he saw where "gravel" bikes were going he started fiddling with bikes that still had the vibe of the early non-racy gravel bikes and started calling them ATB. When I was getting interested in bikes as an adult ATB and MTB seemed to be used interchangeably for a while and then MTB took over as the standard term for fat tire bikes for riding off roads - ie those late 80's / early 90's mountain bikes I love.
Interesting comments on Surly's - maybe they are a lot more expensive in Europe. Here they look like pretty good value compared to similar products using fancier tube sets from other manufacturers like Soma, Allcity, etc.