Parts , bikes and project bikes

[SteelNipple]

A bit tedious without pictures so here's the bike with team/sponsor livery.

 

[juvela]

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"Georg Fischer, BB surfaces have been faced down to 68mm."

is this one of the sandcast ones with the prominent lip on the drive side?

modification means that one could not fit a SPECTA or Verot bottom bracket assembly without resort to spacer washers

these two firms do not offer spindles for 70mm shells , probably for economy, and accommodate Italian dimension by making the walls of the Italian cups one mm thicker than those of their BSC, CH & metric cups

can come up as a limitation on some Belgian machines constructed with 70mm BSC shells; Flandria for example

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"frère meaning brother?"

yes, old/original name of firm was this

referring to Jacques Andre Huret & Roger Henri Huret

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"drum size"

you experience 180 degree of lever travel due to the small drum diameter of these levers; they take more lever travel to move the cable a given amount than other brands

~'74 they joined with the rest of the known universe with regard to drum diameter

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"Have the laurel and shield/knight crest mod. 64 bars with three knurled rings and 1A "Cinelli Milano" stem."

AFAIK 1A stem not extant at this epoch

'LXIII was approximate launch date for Tecno Tubo Torino but would be a bit grey/iffy IMHO

hence would expect Ambrosio Champion

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frame certainly appears Cino inspired


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[SteelNipple]

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"Georg Fischer, BB surfaces have been faced down to 68mm."

is this one of the sandcast ones with the prominent lip on the drive side?

modification means that one could not fit a SPECTA or Verot bottom bracket assembly without resort to spacer washers

these two firms do not offer spindles for 70mm shells , probably for economy, and accommodate Italian dimension by making the walls of the Italian cups one mm thicker than those of their BSC, CH & metric cups

can come up as a limitation on some Belgian machines constructed with 70mm BSC shells; Flandria for example

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Not the type with the lip. Could have been 70mm, but now thinking about it, as the parts are mostly late 70s, my guess is that the bike was overhauled then and the maybe original 74mm BB and Magistroni crank was removed in favor of the square taper.

"frère meaning brother?"

yes, old/original name of firm was this

referring to Jacques Andre Huret & Roger Henri Huret

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Traction Avant... Always frères in the bicycle industry.

"drum size"

you experience 180 degree of lever travel due to the small drum diameter of these levers; they take more lever travel to move the cable a given amount than other brands

~'74 they joined with the rest of the known universe with regard to drum diameter

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I didn't understand it because I thought that Huret had the larger drum...

"Have the laurel and shield/knight crest mod. 64 bars with three knurled rings and 1A "Cinelli Milano" stem."

AFAIK 1A stem not extant at this epoch

'LXIII was approximate launch date for Tecno Tubo Torino but would be a bit grey/iffy IMHO

hence would expect Ambrosio Champion

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"1963, Mod. 1A (A = aluminum) forged aluminum alloy stem and aluminum alloy handlebar production begins; stems and bars have a non-anodized, polished finish till 1965."

"The first version of the aluminum bar has a long, bulge-formed center section, no knurled rings and a non-anodized, polished finish. The second version has an engraved sleeve like the steel bars, with two rings of knurling at the clamping area and a polished finish till 1965 with the start of the clear anodized finish, then three rings of knurling and finally a single ring of knurling."

Source: http://www.velo-retro.com/cinellitline.html

"At the Rome Olympics Cino Cinelli introduces the product which will become most strongly associated with the brand’s name: the aluminum 1A stem and its accompanying series of handlebars."

Source: https://www.cinelli-milano.com/pages/history

frame certainly appears Cino inspired


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Yes.

 

[SteelNipple]

No cigar?

I always wanted to be a game show host.

90s Finnish comedy tv show.

The holes on both sides and possibly for this 50s/60s type Tunturi badge. Really hard to tell without having one to test fit.

 

[juvela]

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"Not the type with the lip. Could have been 70mm, but now thinking about it, as the parts are mostly late 70s, my guess is that the bike was overhauled then and the maybe original 74mm BB and Magistroni crank was removed in favor of the square taper."

WOW, that would be a "whole lotta facing": 3mm from each side

if you have ever used a hand facer you know your arms would probably fall off before you got there...AND you would have had to send your facing cutter out for sharpening as well...

BTW - Windsor/Carabela of Mexico City produced a large number of cycles which sported 68mm Italian thread shells, have had them come through me arbeidstationen

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1A -

thank you for the information on the launch date

had never known a specific one




example shown in your photo is not the launch version "G1"

launch version had a hex nut for the binder



http://velobase.com/Pages/ViewCompo...410-4170-9380-C60BD8D75DB1&Enum=102&AbsPos=95

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video -

me layman's guess would be that host a genuine Finn; while his last name has only five letters it manages to have three K's

an appropriate name for production company might be "Bad Hairgoods Are Us"

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Cino inspired frames -

there were several Italian producers who did blatant Cinelli replicas back in the 1960's

one marque recalled is that of Pinzani

here is an example -



this chappie a replica of a Model B

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-...4834-late-60s-early70s-pinzani-road-bike.html


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[SteelNipple]

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"Not the type with the lip. Could have been 70mm, but now thinking about it, as the parts are mostly late 70s, my guess is that the bike was overhauled then and the maybe original 74mm BB and Magistroni crank was removed in favor of the square taper."

WOW, that would be a "whole lotta facing": 3mm from each side

if you have ever used a hand facer you know your arms would probably fall off before you got there...AND you would have had to send your facing cutter out for sharpening as well...

BTW - Windsor/Carabela of Mexico City produced a large number of cycles which sported 68mm Italian thread shells, have had them come through me arbeidstationen

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1A -

thank you for the information on the launch date

had never known a specific one

View attachment 1010149


example shown in your photo is not the launch version "G1"

launch version had a hex nut for the binder

View attachment 1010154

http://velobase.com/Pages/ViewCompo...410-4170-9380-C60BD8D75DB1&Enum=102&AbsPos=95

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video -

me layman's guess would be that host a genuine Finn; while his last name has only five letters it manages to have three K's

an appropriate name for production company might be "Bad Hairgoods Are Us"

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Cino inspired frames -

there were several Italian producers who did blatant Cinelli replicas back in the 1960's

one marque recalled is that of Pinzani

here is an example -

View attachment 1010171

this chappie a replica of a Model B

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-...4834-late-60s-early70s-pinzani-road-bike.html


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I'm hoping that it's a real Cinelli SC. The replicas or copies don't have the oil port and drain hole and this one has the four digit serial number in the right place. Long wheelbase. The "divers helmet" RD cable stop came around '63. So my estimate is '63-65.