Its been pretty quiet on the old Tax dodging Tory toff

[Osella]

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And this is why Peugeot, Saracen, Raleigh and Giant are so geat!
You can get a seriously high-end frame, drop a couple of grand on it if you want to totally kit it out with Titanium and XTR/Dura-Ace and if subtly done, nobody but us types will notice or give a damn - and they'll never know you may have spent Pinarello or S-Works money on it.
Just 'urgh, Raleigh' and move along..

 

[legrandefromage]

:facepalm:

My friend has just been putting together his neighbours' new Cannondale Super Six Evo Black at some £6999 - pedals not included...

He will be riding the 6 mile round trip to work and he will be doing the odd charity ride.

On a £7k bicycle

:facepalm:

 

[videojetman]

I wonder how many mp's would do their job for the minimum wage ?
See how they can manage.

I wonder how many minimum wage earners would want an MP's salary, once they realise you're on a shaky fixed term contract, the hours are irregular and often anti-social, half the country hates you, you get minimal thanks even from your supporters and when every Tom, Dick and arsehole wants to know every detail of your personal and financial affairs to run to the papers with...

Aldi managers are only just behind MP's £75k ffs, it's not a massive salary. And it's not MPs fault minimum wagers ended up on minimum wage. The comparison is pointless.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... di-A4.html

i'm sure there are plenty of minimum wage earners who would gladly give an mp's job a go. and probably do a better job.
it just so happens most minimum wage earners dont come from privelege backgrounds, depending on mummy and daddy to pay their way through life.

 

[technodup]

i'm sure there are plenty of minimum wage earners who would gladly give an mp's job a go. and probably do a better job.

Well as ironically it's probably the highest paid job which requires zero qualifications they're welcome to go for it...

it just so happens most minimum wage earners dont come from privelege backgrounds, depending on mummy and daddy to pay their way through life.

There's no inherent advantage in being rich, you join a party, climb the internal ladder and campaign for election. Mhari Black was a student, Corbyn a trade union official (albeit from a wealthy family), Caroline Lucas' dad sold solar panels.

What you're doing is conflating Tories, 'the rich' and tax avoiders and coming out with a load of politics of envy nonsense.

Black is the perfect example. Scottish, lesbian, socialist, student, no experience, no money. No advantage whatsoever. Up against the Shadow Foreign Secretary and ex minister, whose sister was Scottish Labour leader. And she won. How?

Well the SNP landslide obviously helped. But she put the groundwork in, attended the rallies, made the speeches, pounded the streets and knocked the doors. Whilst completing her final year at uni. Now that requires a bit extra, a sacrifice, to think outside of the strict 9-5 framework most minimum wagers think in.

We'd all like more money or a bigger house. Only some recognise they have to make the necessary changes to achieve it. The majority just dream about it and moan when others go and do it. There's nothing to stop minimum wagers, except themselves. Mhairi Black's first wage was £75k as an MP. At 21.

I can't stand her politics but can't help respect the achievement.

 

[highlandsflyer]

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Mhairi Black clearly has some advantages in life. She is fit, for a start.

 

[technodup]

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Mhairi Black clearly has some advantages in life. She is fit, for a start.

My sarcasm detector is off the chart. Surely it's not a malfunction?

Mhairi Black's mother wouldn't even claim that ffs.

 

[legrandefromage]

It can be very hard to climb out of something if you are missing that spark that others seem to possess in bucket loads.

My current job, there is no career path whatsoever. I can sit relatively comfortable, take the money and mutter and moan now and again. Or I can do something about it - but that 'something' is what totally eludes me - and I should imagine plenty of other people are in a similar situation.

 

[M-Power]

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A close friend I went to Uni with, descended from Sierra Leonian slaves. His father had no shoes on his feet and walked a stupid distance to school, got himself an education and became a Dr. He then moved to Blighty, had 4 kids with his wife and lived to a ripe old age. I told my friend to get involved with bricks early on and I have stood back as he has ducked and dived his way to being half way to a $B in the US now. He has made most of his money from the sub prime market over there. Preying IMO on the desperate and vulnerable. He explained in amazing detail how he knew all the different ethnic and socio economic groups were likely to fail to repay loans etc. Despite my affection for my friend and he's still my friend, it turns my stomach. I could never live off others like that. I'm not greedy, treat others like I wish to be treated and am a strong believer in ethical business. I have seen his wife change in her attitudes towards others. Women change by far the most when the experience a lavish lifestyle.

I'm a failed Dot Com entrepreneur...not my fault ( prolly all say that ), lost a fortune but I was never in it purely for the money, it was the buzz. Fuxx, I really miss that buzz when it looked like it was gonna fly. Pulled my horns in now and just gradually accumulate...bikes mostly and pay off my debts.

Debts and failure in business....Only 1/10 of these 'exciting startups' makes it big. We only hear about those but seldom hear about those who took a gamble and were left with life changing, crippling debts, damage to their/families health, serious long term repercussions etc. You may well say serves the cunx right for being a greedy money grabbing capitalist bar steward etc but don't forget mano of these household company names that employ millions were started like that, by people taking big risks.

Also think it's sad that so many of today's yoof look upto trustifarians like the 'richkidsofinstagram' Kardashians etc. Vulgar displays of parental wealth just seems anathema to me.

 

[videojetman]

I don't envy wealthy people. I'm sure having vast amounts of money comes with its problems.
I'm fortunate enough to have a job which affords me a roof over my head and feed my family.
I have a great idea that could make a vast fortune, but my biggest problem is getting my idea seen by some very influential people.
I suppose being in the right place at the right time has a lot to do with it.
But I could be doing a lot more to promote my self.
The key to happiness is being content with what we have, rather than pondering on what we could have.

 

[technodup]

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The key to happiness is being content with what we have, rather than pondering on what we could have.

Agreed, as long as we're not pondering on what others have either.

the £ distribution

Dunno if it's true but I read recently that if the world's money was split evenly within a few years the previously rich would be rich again, and the poor likewise. Made sense to me, it's not about the money per se, more the attitude towards it and the work involved in earning it.

There was a recent programme which showed benefits folk getting a lump sum and basically spunking it on shite.