Lugged frame (sorry I've broke into two replies here) I've also git a lycett racing saddle for that but would like a Brookes tanned saddle and make it a fixed speed with all English components if possible, also colours, is like to do it in British racing green maybe Ialways thought that looked classy, and the sun Manx in a turquoise cyan colour mabye. But at the moment I'm just playing with ideas the worthy will be kept as is. It's in good condition for age, I'm just gonna tidy that horrendous red hammerite bodge job up around the lugs and near the headbadge.
Hello from the junkyard, help me with my finds
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The Il Primo stem was produced in quantity in uk for the Holdsworthy Company and widely sold to the trade, rather heavy, as a cheaper Italian looking stem in various lengths. It was about £1 when the Cinelli was £1.50.
The Sun Manx TT, early ones had cast lugs, later pressed, the change from memory being about 1949/50.
Keith
The Sun Manx TT, early ones had cast lugs, later pressed, the change from memory being about 1949/50.
Keith
Sorry to butt in here . Keith do you have any idea on the frame numbers used for Sun for the Manx tt .
My Manx tt is SL 62 pictured here; with very rare fixed drop out
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74418119@N ... 3137017886
There is also 41 stamped on the bb shell .
My Manx tt is SL 62 pictured here; with very rare fixed drop out
http://www.flickr.com/photos/74418119@N ... 3137017886
There is also 41 stamped on the bb shell .
BP, Your Sun TT does have the cast headlugs. I have no link to frame numbers.
In the mid 1950s most of the smaller better quality bike makers were in serious trouble. I remember Peter Parkes coming round himself to try and sell a few bikes. Dawes just about survived, but Sun, Carlton, and others did not.
When a factory went into liquidation, or the name was taken over by a large company against possibly debts for materials the factory would be cleared. Rarely anything of value, and certainly paper records would be dumped.
You probably know better, but to me the rear track ends do not look original, but its not easy to tell. Perhaps a factory one-off.
Thats about the best I can do.
Keith
In the mid 1950s most of the smaller better quality bike makers were in serious trouble. I remember Peter Parkes coming round himself to try and sell a few bikes. Dawes just about survived, but Sun, Carlton, and others did not.
When a factory went into liquidation, or the name was taken over by a large company against possibly debts for materials the factory would be cleared. Rarely anything of value, and certainly paper records would be dumped.
You probably know better, but to me the rear track ends do not look original, but its not easy to tell. Perhaps a factory one-off.
Thats about the best I can do.
Keith
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Wow, some collectors pieces there ( I do love the TT and Holdsworth ), the 'Sun' team information would be interesting to hear, the serial numbers do tell a bit of the story, the second digit indicates which workshop it was made in, with 'L' being the lightweight / one off workshop used for the best Parkes and Sun models. My Sun Wasp http://www.flickr.com/photos/tk_photos/3743110085/ is a 'TL' translating into 1952/3 , I would like to think ( wishful that is ) it was made up for the Sun Team in 1952 for the Tour of Britain, it does have a chain hanger on the inside of the seat stay, not your norm for 1952, but being realistic that just highlights the 'L' workshop was for one off customer orders, or for internal use. The Chater lea fittings can't tell the whole story as many builders used them in the 20's and 30's, the position of the serial number may give an answer, which I suspect will be sometime in late 30's maybe later. Thanks for showing them. Terry
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