Heart Rate Monitors

KeepItSteel":2rw9d6pj said:
that does seem good value, GPS eh? Maybe I need that..


Kaiser, I am disciplined yes. My main motivation is CV work to lose weight and improve fitness. However, im very competitive, and not far from getting into shape.
Plus im a secret statistician, and love comparing data. Although, my patience wears thin quickly so if its too complicated then I wouldnt be bothered to get my head round it.
Im currently running/cycling/rowing at least 5 times per week so im thinking that a HRM as a training aid may be of benefit.

My morning RHR is now averaging 51/52 BPM and although they say you shouldnt train just to lower your heart beat, im keen to see what would be involved to get it under 50 BPM :lol:


Cool, then I say go for one and spend a few bob. You might want to look at pc connectivity and think about looking at multisport specific ones. I use a Suunto and its been great, used a Polar Protrainer before that and it was overly complicated. The Suunto T3 is upgradeable, you can buy foot pods, bike pods, gps pods, and a IR computer connection doodah. Though I'd be really tempted with the Garmin, I have the older version of that model and its as good as the HRM as a motivational tool.

Have a look here for a full selection

http://www.heartratemonitor.co.uk/

good prices too.

I've a good book at home thats an excellent starter, I'll try to post a link later.
 
i've been looking at buying a hrm recently too but for more weight loss really.would i see more benefit working with a hrm than jumping on the turbo trainer or rowing macine and going flat out for half an hour?
 
If you're going flat out then you are probably working at more than 80% of you max.
Apparently - working at 70%-80%, your body actually burns more fat as fuel than working at a higher intensity.
 
Carge":7dzcf7rn said:
If you're going flat out then you are probably working at more than 80% of you max.
Apparently - working at 70%-80%, your body actually burns more fat as fuel than working at a higher intensity.
Which makes so little difference as to be a trivial factor.

CICO - so steady state, intervals, or higher percentage of MHR than the mythical "fat burning zone" it really doesn't matter - it's how much energy / calories you expend that matter if trying to lose weight / bodyfat.

When you lose weight, to get leaner, it's more about what you encourage the body to sustain (preferably LBM for most people) than what you attempt to use as a fuel source when exercising (in the same way as ketogenic diets don't have any mythical or metabolic advantages).
 
sausagefingers":2c3g87y1 said:
i've been looking at buying a hrm recently too but for more weight loss really.would i see more benefit working with a hrm than jumping on the turbo trainer or rowing macine and going flat out for half an hour?
A HRM can help, if you're reasonably serious, measure and record progress - on several levels.

As to what degree of intensity you use when doing cardio, it doesn't really matter, so long as it's not too low to have much of an effect / and / or cause the time involved to be great; or too high that poses a risk to your health.

The reality is, for cardio work - used in an effort to lose weight / bodyfat - that what really matters is how much energy you expend doing it. Whether you do that at a lower intensity for longer, or higher intensity for briefer periods (or intervals) doesn't really make any tangible difference.
 
Carge":69bgn84o said:
If you're going flat out then you are probably working at more than 80% of you max.
Apparently - working at 70%-80%, your body actually burns more fat as fuel than working at a higher intensity.

Sorry, this is a wee bit out. You want to be working at 60% MaxHR to be burning fat, 70%-80% is good for improving cardiovascular fitness, but is probably unsustainable if you're not training already. Anything over 80% is looking at anaerobic effort and training your adaptation to lactic acid.

Going back to the OP.... I'd spend the cash and buy a Polar HRM. They're worth it, if only for the lack of interference that your Aldi specials will pick up. I use a basic Polar HRM for training (running) and use it to make sure that I'm in the right training zones, as eluded to above!! Mine has a couple of alarms so if I'm doing a long, slow distance run, it reminds me to keep in the fat burning zone etc..... Other than that, I don't log my HR or do any fancy graphs or anything.

As far as the advice on calculating intensities goes, the latest research, and what I recommend to patients, is the Karvonen Method or Formula - have a google - essentially, it's 220-your age less your resting HR (RHR) to give your heart rate reserve, so, I'm 30, so my max is 220-30 = 190. My resting heart rate at the mo is about 42, so 190 - 42 = 148 that's my heart rate reserve or HRR - it takes into account you as a person a lot more than the traditional 220-your age method!! Training zones for HRR are about 10% less than the traditional ones on average - so about 50% HRR to burn fat, 60% HRR for cardio and 75%+ for anaerobic training. So, fat burning for me is... 50% of 148 = 74 + my RHR of 42 = 116bpm give or take 5% either way, so say, 110-120bpm.

Confused?!?!
 
Try this book for starters if you decide to go for it. Or if you see it in a book shop it'll tell you all you need to know in the first few pages, the rest is just padding(authors admission).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1891369849/r ... 1891369849


The 220 minus age formulas are as outmoded as throwing witches in the water to see if they float or not.

To add to and probably complicate the 'fat burning zone' theories. You normally utilise fat as an energy source as well as glycogen(carbs). The harder you exercise the more you use, the problem being you only have a finite supply of glycogen compared to fat. Using up your glycogen will cause you to bonk. Staying in the 'zone' should keep you mostly using your fat supplies and postponing the bonk. Thus exercising in the zone means you can go longer and ultimately burn more calories. You do not pass through the zone were you switch from fat to glycogen, you continue to burn fat. The heart rate monitor will allow you to train at a level were you can increase your anaerobic threshold, ie allowing you to work harder whilst utilising fat as a primary energy source. Off the top of my head you have around 3000 calories of glycogen stored in your muscles and liver but have around 30,000 calories worth of fat (average man).
 
kaiser":38i6z9my said:
Try this book for starters if you decide to go for it. Or if you see it in a book shop it'll tell you all you need to know in the first few pages, the rest is just padding(authors admission).

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1891369849/r ... 1891369849


The 220 minus age formulas are as outmoded as throwing witches in the water to see if they float or not.

To add to and probably complicate the 'fat burning zone' theories. You normally utilise fat as an energy source as well as glycogen(carbs). The harder you exercise the more you use, the problem being you only have a finite supply of glycogen compared to fat. Using up your glycogen will cause you to bonk.
The choices are - exercise for longer, at a lower rate - which may well be using fat as the energy source - and people miss the point and think that's significant as an advantage. It's not. Not by any tangible means.

Or, exercise at a higher intensity, for a shorter period.

Now for those who are exercising merely to lose weight / bodyfat, all that matters is how much energy is expended.

For that end, focussing on the energy source is merely a distraction. What about people on diets where they take little-to-no carbs? Ketosis happens and bodyfat is used to convert to glycogen. And guess what - when many first realised that, they though that was advantageous (from a metabolic perspective) too.

Sure, endurance athletes or people training for long periods at fairly high intensities, may well deplete glycogen to the degree that the body needs to re-adapt quite quickly, but for the normal person exercising, it's not normally an issue (all other things being equal - diet, no adverse medical conditions).

So for those that want to lose weight - the choice is largely arbitrary - choose a lower heart rate / steady state cardio type activity, but do it for longer, or choose a higher intensity (or intervals) and do it for a shorter period.

For people actually wanting some cardiovascular benefit, then it won't really be an option - you'd be pushing higher in the range, anyways, and have totally different goals.
kaiser":38i6z9my said:
Staying in the 'zone' should keep you mostly using your fat supplies and postponing the bonk. Thus exercising in the zone means you can go longer and ultimately burn more calories.
Real world, though - many people don't want to train for longer at lower intensities. For as many who like low-ish intensity, steady-state cardio (exercising in the <spit> "fat burning zone") there's people who want to show progress in their time or distance, do intervals, or actually like spinning classes.
kaiser":38i6z9my said:
You do not pass through the zone were you switch from fat to glycogen, you continue to burn fat. The heart rate monitor will allow you to train at a level were you can increase your anaerobic threshold, ie allowing you to work harder whilst utilising fat as a primary energy source. Off the top of my head you have around 3000 calories of glycogen stored in your muscles and liver but have around 30,000 calories worth of fat (average man).
And do you know how much activity and for how long you'd have to do it, in the "fat burning zone" to expend 3000 calories in one workout?

For people losing weight, best deficits are in a few hundred calories.

I'll say it before, and I'll say it again, people falling for this "fat burning zone" and clinging to it, are as mistaken as those that did the same for ketogenic diets having some metabolic advantage (they didn't, they may have other advantages, but nothing metabolic or specifically based on the fuel source).

Fat is the body's long-term energy storage. So for any you burn using exercise in particular zones, or diets that force that metabolic pathway, you're not using other energy sources, and when there's surplus, it just goes right back in storage as fat. So what really matters for loss is deficit.

After that, it's down to body composition, but in deficit that tends to be more better served on ensuring you preserve what you want to sustain, rather than focussing on what gets used for energy.
 
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