energy drinks and weight loss

[Student Bob]

Water. All the way. Sports/energy drinks raise your insulin levels which reduces fat oxidation.

If you want to be losing weight at the cutting edge of sports hydration science, the very latest research suggests that a mochaccino optimises your body's ability to burn fat.

 

[Raging_Bulls]

I'd say though use this for workouts less than 2.5hrs, after that you might want to think about replacing carbs.

Carbs? My bike doesn't have carburetors.




Joking aside, IMO it doesn't matter that much. Yes, you'll lose weight faster with low-calorie energy drinks, but the important bit is that you're burning calories to begin with.

I'd go for high-calorie drinks. That way I can tell the missus "sorry honey, but I'm nowhere near my target weight yet. I'll need to go out for a ride for several more months"

 

[Neil]

Water. All the way. Sports/energy drinks raise your insulin levels which reduces fat oxidation.

If you want to be losing weight at the cutting edge of sports hydration science, the very latest research suggests that a mochaccino optimises your body's ability to burn fat.

Using that rationale (using fat as the main fuel source) you'd think that ketogenic diets for most (where suitable / acceptable) who want to lose weight and bodyfat would be most persuasive. 'cept they're not that panacea nor the messiah.

Truth be told, I've never really got why those who rap on about the importance of the touted "fat burning zone" for regular, repeated exercise (I suppose, really, for the limited set of circumstances of long, low intensity exercise that may be theoretically extended even further, is, um "desired") for those looking to lose weight and bodyfat, don't go that extrapolated volume increase to 11, and advocate ketogenic diets for all your fat burning needs...

I suspect many who use scientific research, and not subject to IOC testing (or similar) go down the ECA route (or maybe Y), those that don't give a stuff about the rules, walk on the wild-side, and ignore health warnings (and not concerned with the prospect of a slight case of, um, death) seem to choose DNP as their weapon of choice. I'm guessing those that opt for the mochaccino probably read the Gruaniad and may even be vegetarians.

 

[Raging_Bulls]

You lost me at "ketogenic"

I eat normal and don't push myself to the limit. I do go for long rides though, and can easily spend all day on the bike. I drink water with orange juice and don't bother with doctors or pulse monitors.
I just ride my bike and enjoy it. Any weight loss is a nice bonus. the rest doesn't matter to me.

 

[Student Bob]

...ketogenic....fat oxidation is a myth.....ECA....we all love steroids....

I hate myself for rising to this.... but.... Ketogenic diets are the best for weight loss. Less carbs means more fat burning, high fat encourages fat burning. If we leave the epileptic kids out of this, perhaps you should consider WHO is on these ketogenic diets in the first place. The problem isn't the diet, it's the dieter.

Shurely everyone knows that your body burns either fat or carbs? That was GCSE Biology stuff for me. The balance of fat burning vs. carb burning depends on the percentage exertion, so, at around 60% MaxHR most healthy people are at peak fat oxidation. Or the fat-burning zone.

DNP will kill ya, ECA is ineffective. But ultimately the choice comes down to whether the average person on the street has easy access to equine-grade pharmaceuticals. Me? I skip the clenbuterol and go for a run instead.

As for the mocha... Caffeine has a long history of urban myth status for promoting weight loss. Old roadies would always train on an empty stomach and an espresso (and Belgian speedballs). Turns out that caffeine does promote fat oxidation, but to work best it needs to be combined with catechin - a flavinoid found in cacao - this is why I always stir my morning 'spro with a bar of dairy milk before jogging down to the vet's for my daily transfusion of horse blood.

 

[Neil]

...ketogenic....fat oxidation is a myth.....ECA....we all love steroids....

I hate myself for rising to this.... but.... Ketogenic diets are the best for weight loss. Less carbs means more fat burning, high fat encourages fat burning. If we leave the epileptic kids out of this, perhaps you should consider WHO is on these ketogenic diets in the first place. The problem isn't the diet, it's the dieter.

Shurely everyone knows that your body burns either fat or carbs? That was GCSE Biology stuff for me. The balance of fat burning vs. carb burning depends on the percentage exertion, so, at around 60% MaxHR most healthy people are at peak fat oxidation. Or the fat-burning zone.

So?

Energy is conserved, assuming you're not on a ketogenic diet, and just exercising in the "fat burning zone" there's a whole deal of other stuff you're not burning up during exercise, that over time, if in excess will get long-term stored as bodyfat.

As to ketogenic diets being best for weight and bodyfat loss, they may be for some people, but not purely / solely because fat is used as the energy source - that's just the smoke and mirrors. Satiety, aiding with those with insulin resistence, leptin control, preservation of lbm, and a sneaky, obfuscated way of getting people to axe a whole deal of calories from a macronutrient that comprises the majority of most peoples' normal intake (in the ambitious hope that over time people don't overcompensate with the remaining macronutrients) may well be where it's at.

DNP will kill ya, ECA is ineffective. But ultimately the choice comes down to whether the average person on the street has easy access to equine-grade pharmaceuticals. Me? I skip the clenbuterol and go for a run instead.

As for the mocha... Caffeine has a long history of urban myth status for promoting weight loss. Old roadies would always train on an empty stomach and an espresso (and Belgian speedballs). Turns out that caffeine does promote fat oxidation, but to work best it needs to be combined with catechin - a flavinoid found in cacao - this is why I always stir my morning 'spro with a bar of dairy milk before jogging down to the vet's for my daily transfusion of horse blood.

Eh?

First you say that ECA is ineffective then go on to talk about using caffeine? ECA has countless studies (y'know, like on pubmed...) that have concluded otherwise.

And I wasn't advocating DNP, nor ignoring the risks - just pointing out that many do use it, daftly, or otherwise.

edit: and I've just noticed the post-edit, bad form there "Bob" I've never tried to even imply that fat oxidation is a myth, I merely reject the oft abused, yet claimed significance of it. As to steriods, I'm not about to extemporise on them, either - I've never used them, and in my experience, most that have rarely seem to do so after having been studious and thorough in their research.

 

[Midlife]

Fizzy drinks / frequently used can knacker your teeth...never a good idea.

Shaun

 

[silverclaws]

Fizzy drinks / frequently used can knacker your teeth...never a good idea.

Shaun

So stopping for a hamster at the pub is not best then ?

 

[Neil]

Fizzy drinks / frequently used can knacker your teeth...never a good idea.

I get that CO2 is the pariah that many love to hate, but all the same, up to now, I was blissfully unaware that it's scope of pure evil extended to tooth decay...

 

[dbmtb]

If weight loss is your goal then +1 for High Five Zero. It'll press the last 20 minutes out of you that would have otherwise had you gasping for sugar.

Of course only any good for training passes up to approx 2 hours.

Any more you'll have to be prepared to suffer. Really suffer. If you can't take the pain then you need to use something for the first hour(s) until you only have 90 mins or so left.

Zero also makes it easier to get the right amount of liquid down your neck.