 ) Rob mentioned doing my slightly illegal loop which would be ok for an evening starting and stopping at a pub . It's nothing amazing but ok to kill an evening if your not miles away . You can choose from either a long slight uphill ( this is the trespassy bit ) - short technical downhill - a nippy bit of flat and ending in a longish downhill or go the other way and have a uphill that makes you use your legs -nippy bit of flat - technical uphill and ending in a long sweeping downhill . trouble is both downhills are fun in 2 completely different ways . If you really really wanted we could just go around each way . I think going around last time took a couple of hours . For both it would probably be a day off scenario .
  ) Rob mentioned doing my slightly illegal loop which would be ok for an evening starting and stopping at a pub . It's nothing amazing but ok to kill an evening if your not miles away . You can choose from either a long slight uphill ( this is the trespassy bit ) - short technical downhill - a nippy bit of flat and ending in a longish downhill or go the other way and have a uphill that makes you use your legs -nippy bit of flat - technical uphill and ending in a long sweeping downhill . trouble is both downhills are fun in 2 completely different ways . If you really really wanted we could just go around each way . I think going around last time took a couple of hours . For both it would probably be a day off scenario .  ) plus he knows the area much betterer than me
  ) plus he knows the area much betterer than me   he will be on a very modern bike though . 30 miles and I did it in a bit under 3 hours so good for a morning or evening when people don't have work that day , 4 hours at a nice pace , loads of road interspersed but some up and downhill bits .
  he will be on a very modern bike though . 30 miles and I did it in a bit under 3 hours so good for a morning or evening when people don't have work that day , 4 hours at a nice pace , loads of road interspersed but some up and downhill bits .