My feeling is that Ameybrook was correct in some of his ponts, but lost ground a little with his crack about not wanting to go to a car show and see Toyotas. Surely something like a Marin or a Kona is the bike equivalent of a Toyota? Decent, reliable and thick on the ground? I would even argue that Specialized are the Ford of the bike world, lots of reliable runaround and then chuck out some top end desirable stuff?