The Immigration Debate........

[Mike Muz]

i can think of a test for immigrants.
it would comprise of 3 questions.
1. do you speak english ?
2. can you support your self & family without relying on government handouts ?
3. do you agree to comply & respect the laws of this country. and do you agree by breaking any laws you will be sent back to your country of origin. never to be allowed back again.

if any immigrant can answer in the affirmative to all 3 questions. welcome aboard.

I'd like some english people asked the same set of questions .
IMHO I don't have a problem with it at all , people come here to better their lives and - I believe - work to do so . As has already been said , there are many english people who are wronguns . This has been hyped up by politicians and the press to be a bigger problem than it is .Maybe we should look closer to home for our problem .

 

[videojetman]

i can think of a test for immigrants.
it would comprise of 3 questions.
1. do you speak english ?
2. can you support your self & family without relying on government handouts ?
3. do you agree to comply & respect the laws of this country. and do you agree by breaking any laws you will be sent back to your country of origin. never to be allowed back again.

if any immigrant can answer in the affirmative to all 3 questions. welcome aboard.

I'd like some english people asked the same set of questions .
IMHO I don't have a problem with it at all , people come here to better their lives and - I believe - work to do so . As has already been said , there are many english people who are wronguns . This has been hyped up by politicians and the press to be a bigger problem than it is .Maybe we should look closer to home for our problem .

i agree, but where do we send the wronguns ?

 

[technodup]

there are many english people who are wronguns .

I think most people arguing for more control of immigration would also welcome those you speak of being dealt with more fairly. Or harshly as the leftists would have it.

I watched Benefits Street. Selling free hotel magazines as the Big Issue for £2.50 a time was inspired, but I'd still have the street razed to the ground.

The only good thing about these twunts is the poverty porn we get on telly.

On a serious note though they all claimed there were no jobs, but being in the middle of Birmingham that clearly isn't true. What is true, jobs or no jobs, with 200 convictions, drug habits and multiple bastard children they're essentially unemployable either way. More jobs isn't the answer for many of them.

WTF can we do with them?

 

[videojetman]

WTF can we do with them?

burn them ? what with fuel bills spiralling out of control.

 

[technodup]

WTF can we do with them?

burn them ? what with fuel bills spiralling out of control.

You might be onto something there.

Rising fuel bills and fuel imports.
Large numbers of layabouts.
Obesity higher in layabouts than in workers.
All that fat is stored energy just waiting to be utilised.

I think we're cracked it. Now if we could just privatise their fat reserves...

In conclusion. Burn them.

 

[highlandsflyer]

some immigrants had stolen 2 swans from the local park and were cooking them on the stove for dinner!!

No need to panic, the Queen and her other half are exempted from the laws protecting swans.

 

[Rich Aitch]

Are we all thinking the same about this, yet not speaking out or acting for fear of being called a racist!? Some say at the rate we are going our national identity will be lost forever, communities will break down, crime will go up and the British culture and value systems will dissapear. I remember watching a programe on TV recently about the RSPCA, where they had been called to a house where some immigrants had stolen 2 swans from the local park and were cooking them on the stove for dinner!! Maybe they didnt know that this was wrong but aparently they still did it, this is just one example of different cultures clashing with our own value systems and British culture which has been shaped over time. Anyway just wondered what people thought?

I'm discomforted by the lack of desire to live by British standards, which by the way I don't think are perfect, so it's not as though I'm setting the bar unreasonably high. But if I go into Morrisons I see Muslim families, with Daddy sauntering along hand in hand with the favourite child [That is the male heir] some distance behind comes the wife- I presume as usually she's wearing a penguin suit with a little letterbox thing for her eyes- having to control the other second class family members [Yup, the daughters] and the bulging trolley. How can any bloke treat his wife and family like that and look himself in the eye? What kind of gits are they?

I feel that the British Citizenship test just can't be blunt enough. Someone needs to say "Now, in this country we don't kill our pregnant sisters of gay brothers to preserve "Family honour" and we don't through donkeys off church steeples in the name of God. Our country, our rules!"

I can remember sitting in a conference room at Newby Wiske Police HQ looking out at the landscaped grounds and wondering if they kept Peacocks when my attention was caught by something the Inspecter, who was explaining crime patterns to us concerned Citizens said. He explained that the high numbers of sexual assaults reported in the Northallerton area were believed to be due to the large numbers of Fijian soldiers now stationed at Catterick Garrison. Now it seems that back home their culture has some rather basic techniques when it comes to wooing ladies, whether or not they like you...

Meanwhile in my home town we had a "Grooming" scandal with Asian males using teenage girls as concubines. Having read about it in the local paper a huge penny suddenly dropped and I realised what one of our local police sargeants had been alluding to when he grumbled about the maleswho try to lead astray girls who were in the childrens' home in Bentham.

What really gets on my thruppennies is that my better half is Canadian and could only get the right to remain and work in the United Kingdom by using the "Grandma technique" to claim Irish Citizenship. We let alsorts in from Eastern Europe [Am I the only one who suspects that a lot of these people have been told by the Police back home to get out of town...] and I read about Latvian criminal gangs and people trafficking and East European Gypsies trying to make a no go area in Page Hall in the middle of Sheffield and wonder why we've turned our backs on the white Commonwealth, what my Grandparents would have called "Our own kith and kin". We've had a Canadian Governor of the Bank of England, a New Zealander Air Chief Marshal at least three South African "England" captains and even a Canadian Prime Minister. But suddenly that's not good enough any more.

Second part:
Someone I know who farms near Coniston Cold tells me that at around the end of Eid sheep rustling is a problem, her theory been something along the lines of; "Psst Brother, Do you want a really cheap sheep for your family for the big feast wot fell off the back of a lorry. Innit."

 

[jonnyboy666]

hmm . . . . this isn't gonna be a polarising subject is it :roll:

might i just comment with my Moderators hat on, keep it sensible, these subjects have a habit of going bad, if you want to talk about this stuff that's fine but be sensible about it as i have no issues locking and deleting stuff like this if/when it does go south.

 

[Neil]

English is the main second language taught in most schools around the world. It's no real surprise that immigrants flock to a country where they have at least a passing knowledge of the language.

Not a very persuasive argument that people flock to England just because of the language. After all, there are many immigrants who can't speak English.

Clearly there's some draw for people to come to England - I can't help but think that things like being taken care of, benefits, and the health service must be as relevant as for work / jobs / business opportuinities. People who come to the country who can't speak a word of English, don't appear to be coming for the culture (whatever that is), to integrate (surely they'd have learned a little), or to work (because surely you'd need some English just to get by).

As a generalism - much like Techno's perspective, I've no issues with immigration for people who want to play an active part - work, can speak some of the language, bringing something to the table in terms of skills.

But as a generalism, there's some comments I've heard recently, that have resonated - it's not immigration that's bad or wrong, in recent times - it's the scale or the amount of immigration that's been allowed to happen.

i can think of a test for immigrants.
it would comprise of 3 questions.
1. do you speak english ?
2. can you support your self & family without relying on government handouts ?
3. do you agree to comply & respect the laws of this country. and do you agree by breaking any laws you will be sent back to your country of origin. never to be allowed back again.

if any immigrant can answer in the affirmative to all 3 questions. welcome aboard.

Don't forget, "Are you a terrorist?" - see the folly, yet? As Dr Gregory House says: "Everybody lies". Assuming they can speak English sufficiently to be able to understand the questions, people will largely just respond how they will be expected to respond.

Yes, yes, yes I know some questions aren't asked because they honestly expect anybody to own up for something that would be bad - it's all about a robust case after the fact. I haven't really thought of the specifics, but I know this - if I were to want to emigrate to the US or Australia, it would take more than just turning up, and saying a few choice things, to get to be able to stay.

That said, I don't misunderstand the thrust of your point - I personally think they are reasonable conditions / criteria. I think immigrants should show at least some understanding of the language and have made some effort - after all, if I was intending to go and live in another country, I'd at least make some effort at trying to understand some rudiments. Those that haven't, seem to me as if they have no interest in integrating with England, and just want their country imported - that's a different thing.

As to the other conditions about supporting themselves and any family, and the law thing - again, very reasonable criteria - as countries like the US are quite stringent on things like that, why shouldn't England be just as strict.

I know it's quite unpolitically correct to say so, but I don't want chunks of neighbourhoods to become Polish, or Romanian, or Albanian - or whatever it happens to be. I'd like immigration of people from other countries to be scattered and diversified into England - in that way, in my opinion anyways - it has a positive effect on the culture of the country. Enclaves of certain nationalities taken over some areas or predmoninately in some areas seems to have a negative effect - in terms of perception and environment, as well as integration - I think that's one thing that needs to be addressed.

Whenever such things are mentioned, there's normally a stock argument of "Well when Brits go abroad, say, to places like Spain, they congregate and stick together too, and don't diversify into the community" - point is, it's a strawman - I don't see people defending or advocating that - I think that's not a good thing too. I suspect the weight of numbers, though, doesn't make neighbourhoods "Brit central" (although I could be wrong, I know precious little about ex-pat communities).

Like many, I don't see immigration as a big evil - I just think there's issues with how it's been managed in recent times - the scale and numbers involved, and perhaps as a consequence, because of the weight of numbers, that enclaves of various countries ex-pats group together. Whether that's been exacerbated by the sheer weight of numbers, I'm not sure, but I don't think that's a good thing to happen. I think when immigrants scatter far and wide into various communities, that's a positive thing - the "culture" gets enhanced by having diversification. When immigrants all group together, and become "Country X" neighbourhoods, it has a negative effect - both in terms of perception, and also in terms of integration, and some of their country rubbing off on Brits, and some of Brit stuff rubbing off on them.

 

[technodup]

Enclaves of certain nationalities taken over some areas or predmoninately in some areas seems to have a negative effect - in terms of perception and environment, as well as integration - I think that's one thing that needs to be addressed.

Whenever such things are mentioned, there's normally a stock argument of "Well when Brits go abroad, say, to places like Spain, they congregate and stick together too, and don't diversify into the community" - point is, it's a strawman - I don't see people defending or advocating that - I think that's not a good thing too. I suspect the weight of numbers, though, doesn't make neighbourhoods "Brit central" (although I could be wrong, I know precious little about ex-pat communities)

There are chunks of southern Spain with large ex-pat communities but there's a difference. I've not been for a few years but when I visited friends you'd see a lot were retired folk with a few quid, the bars were full of construction workers (which at the time were in demand), and the bars were British owned. In other words the Brits were contributors. I doubt you'd find many Brits in social housing or claiming benefit.

Meanwhile here the opposite is true. Slums, beggars, prostitution, bin raiding, theft and benefits.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home ... y.21835567
http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/govan ... -1-2783217

You'd struggle to find an article in a quality paper that tells it how it is but the Scotsman one has a few telling paragraphs in amongst the luvvie foodie bullshit. Can't deny though if you want a good curry or kebab Glasgow's southside is probably up there with Brick Lane.