Security bubble

[tintin40]

Kate Bush?

LUCKY GUY. Wish i could get pushed in her 'bush'

 

[Neil]

Was there a less violent way of dealing with this young boy. I think there was. I think it's starting to send out the wrong message now. I feel quite strongly about this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18756050

You must understand that everyone is a potential terrorist and has to be dealt with accordingly which usually means over reaction. As to the guy's safety he was safe on his bike he became unsafe when he was grabbed from his bike and wrestled to the ground where he was then in very real danger of being mowed down by the entourage and their vehicles and it is likely that he did not know the security bubble were there to smash anyone out of the way that were not meant to be there. And I agree it is sending out the wrong message thugs exist everywhere especially where you least expect it, the very people charged with public protection.

I disagree.

The kid on the bike learnt an important lesson - in that either fecklessness in a situation like that, has consequences - or that being cocky, in the wrong situation, with the wrong people, has consequences.

My understanding is, in those scenarios, the security personnel deal with anything encroaching on their "bubble". So be it. I'm sure thousands of people managed to watch the passing of the torch, completely unimpeded, affected or physically interrupted by the "security bubble".

That a tiny amount of people felt the rough and hurried force of security personnel? Well they're victims of either their own ignorance, stupidity, or desire to show-off and get themselves on telly. More fool them, security escorts like that aren't there to bend to the intrusions of the feckless.

This isn't the impinging of peoples' freedoms, nor the overreaction of the state. Merely the security personnel dealing with an intrusion to a public event. If people are so needy for their 15 seconds, let them do so when there isn't a security escort there to prevent such daftness.

 

[Whatleymeister]

Hmmm, interesting debate. I can see the for and against of this. I am, however, airing on the side of 'that was a tad over the top'. He could have just as easily ushered him out of the bubble on the same side he had entered it, causing a moment of panic, but ultimately not involved dragging him and the security guy himself into the path of oncoming traffic. Even at 5mph, a BMW will roll over you and it will hurt! Then there was the bus, the police range rover...

I dont, however, know what the security have been briefed and I am sure that the security guy did what he thought was the most effective course of action at the time. hindsight is a beautiful thing.

Quite frankly, I had no idea of this 'bubble' thing, but I just know in general that you arent supposed to get to close to these things.

 

[NAILTRAIL96]

The video doesn't give a real perspective of the speed or angle of the cyclist prior to being grabbed so it's kind of guess work to say if it was an over reaction or not.

Also does anybody know who the security are or what training they've recived?

That said it looked fair enough to me.

 

[Signal11th]

Nope just watched this a fair few times, no problem with what they did at all.

 

[FMJ]

Kate Bush?

LUCKY GUY. Wish i could get pushed in her 'bush'

Time has not been kind to Ms. Bush. She's only a month older than me. I think I've fared better. Must be the cycling.

 

[Whatleymeister]

Nope just watched this a fair few times, no problem with what they did at all.

I dont think there was anything principally wrong, they are trained (I pressume!) to move people out of the way swiftly and effectively. I just dont think that dragging the kid and himself (security) in front of the moving vehicle was the wisest of ideas when he could have just as easily shoved him out the way without going into the vehicles, or to the left from our perspective.

I will maintain that I am sure the chap though that what he did was the best course of action at the time and didnt intend to harm anyone. However, herein lies the beauty of subjectivity :roll:

 

[Signal11th]

Nope just watched this a fair few times, no problem with what they did at all.

I dont think there was anything principally wrong, they are trained (I pressume!) to move people out of the way swiftly and effectively. I just dont think that dragging the kid and himself (security) in front of the moving vehicle was the wisest of ideas when he could have just as easily shoved him out the way without going into the vehicles, or to the left from our perspective.

I will maintain that I am sure the chap though that what he did was the best course of action at the time and didnt intend to harm anyone. However, herein lies the beauty of subjectivity :roll:

Although I will edit this by saying I really don't see why the"Olympic Torch" needs protecting so closely.

 

[Neil]

Nope just watched this a fair few times, no problem with what they did at all.

I dont think there was anything principally wrong, they are trained (I pressume!) to move people out of the way swiftly and effectively. I just dont think that dragging the kid and himself (security) in front of the moving vehicle was the wisest of ideas when he could have just as easily shoved him out the way without going into the vehicles, or to the left from our perspective.

I will maintain that I am sure the chap though that what he did was the best course of action at the time and didnt intend to harm anyone. However, herein lies the beauty of subjectivity :roll:

It could be that in a situation like that, pushing somebody back is akin to throwing a ball at a wall only to have it bounce back at you, so pulling away to be removed in a more controlled fashion, may well have been more effective.

 

[Neil]

Nope just watched this a fair few times, no problem with what they did at all.

I dont think there was anything principally wrong, they are trained (I pressume!) to move people out of the way swiftly and effectively. I just dont think that dragging the kid and himself (security) in front of the moving vehicle was the wisest of ideas when he could have just as easily shoved him out the way without going into the vehicles, or to the left from our perspective.

I will maintain that I am sure the chap though that what he did was the best course of action at the time and didnt intend to harm anyone. However, herein lies the beauty of subjectivity :roll:

Although I will edit this by saying I really don't see why the"Olympic Torch" needs protecting so closely.

I doubt it does, I think it's more about the procession, the "ceremony" and looking good for the cameras.

You've also got to factor in, that there's been loads of talk, for ages, about, certain, dodgy-extremist-type groups wanting to get in on the Olympic thing, to reggae with.