Al Carter

xerxes":1cy1zvns said:
The frames are generic Taiwanese, built along side more famous names

Yep, the braze-ons, canti hanger, drop outs look very much like my Made in Taiwan 1990 Marin and it also looks very similar to my unknown Made in Taiwan frame. The frames are not as nicely finished as some of the more exotic "hand made" UK and US built frames, but they ride well enough.

What's the frame made of? Unless it's plain old high tensile steel, which I doubt given the components, it should have a sticker somewhere saying something like Tange, Cro-Mo, 4130 or something like that.

I want to think that's a hint of a Tange tubing sticker near the top of the seat tube.

Stem looks like it's a bit on the high side - is it OK with the insertion marks on it?

And the straddle angle for the rear brake needs sorting, STAT - probably the front one, too.

And whilst I'm on - how is the rear mudguard hanging on? It looks like the bracket isn't attached, so what's keeping it there?
 
The Black Panther was full DX with Tange tubes. Split one for my friend a while back and it was actually quite 'Marin' like to ride if not a little over built.
 
The pic was taken on an ipad which is surprisingly crap quality as the bike is in decent condition, had a feeling I had paid a bit much for it but what can I expect from a small local bike shop.

Braze ons? Canti hanger? Drop outs? Google translate cant help me on that one lol I have no idea what any of them are but there is a 'Made in Taiwan R.O.C' sticker on the underside of the crank casing.

There is a sticker (bottom bar near the bottom of the seat tube) and that sticker says Tange, is this good?

Again, straddle angle another phrase I'm not familiar with, seat could go higher, rear mudguard had a bolt going through the rear light that also held the mudguard on, sadly this bolt lost its nut and the mudguard fell onto the tyre confusing the hell out of me for hours lol

Thanks for all the help so far, I am being educated! Shame it has a puncture now so I cant ride it (cant get the tyre off, tips on that?)

Andrew.
 
Braze ons are the fittings on a steel frame that are brazed on, like cable stops, bottle cage bosses, rack mounts, mudguard eyes, shifter mounts, cantilever brake studs etc.

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Dropouts are the forged, or stamped parts at the end of the forks, on the front, or at the end of the chain stay - seat stay intersection at the rear, basically the bit with the slots in where you fit the wheel axle:

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Canti Hanger is the cable stop for cantilever brakes between the rear seat stays, or the bracket that fixes to the headset, or on the stem, or front forks:

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Straddle angle refers to the angle that the cantilever brake's straddle wire attaches to the lever. Basically, the shallower the angle, closer to the tyre the straddle cable is, the better they work, but it's a bit more complicated than that and I find them a bit of a faff to set up well. More info:

http://sheldonbrown.com/canti-trad.html
http://sheldonbrown.com/cantilever-geometry.html


Some general "how to" sites that should help you with some basics and terminology:

http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help
http://www.madegood.org/


There is a sticker (bottom bar near the bottom of the seat tube) and that sticker says Tange, is this good?

It's a good start. Tange made a number of frame tubes, the most basic were thin walled but plain gauge steel tubes, the better, more expensive tubes were single, double or triple butted and were of varying strengths. Stronger tubes can be made thinner, so the completed frame is lighter, but of a similar strength and stiffness to a frame made of lower quality, thicker, heavier tubes. Basically, alloys of steel are all pretty much the same weight for a given quantity, so the only way to make a steel frame lighter, is to use less of it.

More info:

http://www.brightspoke.com/qotd/2010-05 ... frame.html

http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/tange/tange.htm
 
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