update just in case anyone has this. it appears that something the, LBS guy said metalic had got on the axle where it enters the forks/hub and thats why it would not come out. it has scored the axle . after knocking the axle out with a bar and hammer hitting it a little harder than i did and using some emery on the scoring and a little lube it wen't in and out a treat. where this bit of what ever came from or how it got in there is a mystery. case closed...lol.... :roll: