Who can tell me which model of GT this titanium frame is? I've never seen before.

That's also one thing that makes me uncertain. The end caps don't have the GT logo, but the GT All Terra also has a completely round top tube and [round tubes]. In fact, it's more like the All Terra than the Zaskar.I suspect that if it was produced by GT, it might have been manufactured in the same factory but then abandoned due to unsatisfactory weight or craftsmanship. Later, GT might have had other brands OEM their titanium frames.

All Terra ?

That end cap isn’t GT in shape. Looking at the pics it does however look smaller welds than a Zaskar. But not neat like a Ti GT.


Xizang was the Ti frame that ran from 90 -90. But is so vastly different in every way. These were made by various Ti places throughout the years.

Lightning is 97/98 but again vastly different. Made in Taiwan.



I think someone has had a Zaskar copied out of Ti as they couldn’t afford a Xizang in 94/95
 
All Terra ?

That end cap isn’t GT in shape. Looking at the pics it does however look smaller welds than a Zaskar. But not neat like a Ti GT.


Xizang was the Ti frame that ran from 90 -90. But is so vastly different in every way. These were made by various Ti places throughout the years.

Lightning is 97/98 but again vastly different. Made in Taiwan.



I think someone has had a Zaskar copied out of Ti as they couldn’t afford a Xizang in 94/95
That's definitely a possibility. But there seems to be no point in copying the Zaskar—they could have just copied the Xizang instead. The main thing is that so many details are identical; it's rare to see such a meticulously copied fake, especially since it wasn't mass-produced.
 
I think someone has had a Zaskar copied out of Ti as they couldn’t afford a Xizang in 94/95
Zaskar's are a more hardcore design than Xizangs though, so maybe that's what they were after.
Burly Ti frames weren't very common BITD but there were a couple, Dekerf Implant etc and I think On One prototyped one as well (I have the heavy 950g Ti forks from it).

A Ti 'Zaskar' would ride very differently to a Xizang or Lightning
 
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That's definitely a possibility. But there seems to be no point in copying the Zaskar—they could have just copied the Xizang instead. The main thing is that so many details are identical; it's rare to see such a meticulously copied fake, especially since it wasn't mass-produced.

Zaskars are common so likely the reason.

The welder needed something to copy and likely couldn’t get their hands on a Xizang.

Here’s my thread on Xizang vs Lightning.


Where are you based? That might explain some of this.

What does the frame weigh?

Are we 100% sure it’s not steel?
 
Going back in time, there are quite a few GT prototypes on RB, the original Zizang being a mix of materials too, like Fishers and Nishikies, early stuff was steel and ti or aluminiumumum

This gussetless thingumybob just seems weird or simply another chapter in the tail of the triple tiangle
 
Zaskars are common so likely the reason.

The welder needed something to copy and likely couldn’t get their hands on a Xizang.

Here’s my thread on Xizang vs Lightning.


Where are you based? That might explain some of this.

What does the frame weigh?

Are we 100% sure it’s not steel?
He acquired this frame on eBay many years ago, and it made its way to him across the Pacific. Since I often deal with titanium alloy factories in China, I’m certain this isn’t a frame produced in China in recent years. Their welds these days couldn’t have flaws like the pores seen on this frame. If you look at the tube shape of its rear chainstays, you’ll notice even that detail is identical to the Zaskar’s. I’ve never seen such a meticulously copied frame, and besides, if they were going to copy something, they’d likely target the Xizang since it’s more expensive.i believe It's 100% titanium It has no paint and has been stored in the warehouse for many years without rusting, and this is definitely not the color of steel.. As for the weight, all I know is that it's very heavy—no lighter than GT's steel frames. I don't know the exact weight, though.
 
Going back in time, there are quite a few GT prototypes on RB, the original Zizang being a mix of materials too, like Fishers and Nishikies, early stuff was steel and ti or aluminiumumum

This gussetless thingumybob just seems weird or simply another chapter in the tail of the triple tiangle
I think if it were a counterfeit, something this meticulously made shouldn't exist as just a single piece. After all, back then, not mass-producing it would likely have made its cost even higher than that of the Xizang. Maybe we could find more counterfeits to prove it wasn't made by GT, but I've only come across this one. That's why I'm so curious—even more so than its owner.
 
As I mentioned there's good reason to copy a Zaskar rather than a Xizang if you're after a more solid, less flexy frame, -like a Zaskar but with the durability of Ti
 
I not as clued up as you guys but I just checked pics against my silver zaskar le it exactly the same except were the GT sign is this is round mines more rugby ball shape and the welds are a lot thicker on mine
 
You're right. Whether it's a counterfeit or a sample frame, I'd like to find clear evidence or information. But it seems that all we can do about this bike is speculate.
As I mentioned there's good reason to copy a Zaskar rather than a Xizang if you're after a more solid, less flexy frame, -like a Zaskar but with the durability of Ti
 
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