Where's my forest gone? To the Grouse...that's where....

A problem here is the deer lack predation and so they are overgrazing the woodland understorey, including young trees.

Similar to many parts of the Highlands - except they've been overgrazing for so long most of the forest died off.

It's almost impossible to legally cull them.

Cars get a few, but it's not economical or humane!🙄
Our landowner here is London based and does nothing to cull the deer locally. Going back the last hundred years there's not been a significant red deer population on our headland at all, just Roe deer which do much less damage, but in the last ten years they've exploded. Luckily enough locals have rifles so freezers get well stocked up from time to time. Until the deer are reduced nothing will grow naturally, and rewilding is simply not affordable on the scale we need to do it at. That said as someone who enjoys mountain running the deer damage does keep the plant life lower which makes running easier...
 
It's difficult for me to even express myself effectively on this because so much of it is tied up in political grandstanding (from both sides), and half the time any complaints (per Lesley Riddoch, a staunch nationalist and left winger), it's simply an attack against the land owning class, and quite frankly it all just irritates me beyond belief because nobody, as far as I'm concerned, even comes close to getting it right.

- Landowners are not all bad. Someone needs to own the land, the general population don't have the money, and community groups rarely have the funds or knowhow to deal with these things. There are success stories, like Eigg, but the average Scottish estate is significantly bigger and thus a lot more effort. That said, there are many terrible landowners; the offshore, the corporations and those like the South Chesthill (Glen Lyon) who simply hate anyone who dares access their land. The issue is toothless legislation created by spineless politicians scared to upset their friends, or the flip side those who simply attack the estates because they see them as the enemy (and as a result are quite happy to see foreign owned companies destroying their land with various so called 'green' energy projects).
- Managed upland grouse shooting estates are, despite my above comments, terrible. The burning of heather is not healthy for the planet, and the completely artificial environment is created to maximise grouse as a crop despite what they say. Stop the burning and yes, grouse numbers will reduce, but they will still survive, and other wildlife will thrive. Raptors are perennially persecuted on these estates and it's no surprise that most disappear over them. But then sheep farmers complain and like to shoot them too; look at fat F🤬🤬k Blackford on Skye who pretends to be a poor wee crofter, wanting to protect his lambs, when the reality is that he is a bloodthirsty millionaire banker who made his money in London and just wants to shoot things, as long as it's not his lambs.
- It's absolutely correct to say that plantation forests were planted between the 50's and 80's as tax breaks, but for very good reason. During WW2 we were at the mercy of the German Atlantic fleet who sank numerous merchant ships bringing us crucial supplies, including wood, required for the war effort. Tax breaks, like many, were offered to drive behaviour that was beneficial to the nation. At the time this benefit was seen as providing building materials and giving us self sufficiency. They're hateful things because almost all were planted using quick growing non-native species on land that was biologically sensitive, and in CO2 terms actually caused harm by disrupting peat. Also, as many were planted privately the experience of competent foresters was not open to those who owned the estates and thus many of these areas are not healthy. When politicians talk of planting more trees they do so without any understanding of how trees are grown. We're losing native trees hand over fist thanks to numerous diseases which have come from other countries. Importing more trees to plant is simply not the answer but those wanting sound bites for the news don't care about this. And most native species are either slow growing (like Oak and Scots Pine), or worthless but quick growing (like Rowan and Birch); therefore most planting is done with more non-native species like Douglas Fir and Sitka. That and lots of tree planting projects using subsidies now do so on prime farm land because it's easier to plant on than remote upland. Again, this is the wrong approach. We should not be covering prime farm land with solar panels, wind turbines, or trees. Upland areas should be restored first and foremost, but only after we've reduced the deer population otherwise you need hundreds of miles of deer fence to protect the newly planted trees.
- Lots of those estates pushing restoration projects do so because it allows them to stick massive deer fences around their land to make access to the general public more difficult. It's the same with the re-introduction of wolves; it puts off visitors unless in an organised party who can be charged money (also, see South Chesthill).
- Lots of those who say we need more trees and support for wildlife are quite happy to destroy these same environments with micro hydro schemes, wind turbines and the necessary infrastructure to sell this energy south. These things are industrialising rural and highland areas for the benefit of foreign investors and is simply vandalism.
- Deer. Antlered vermin. They're beautiful as individuals, and majestic, and nice to see. However, there are quite simply too many (target stalking volumes are dictated not by the estates or ghillies, but NatureScot who are a bunch of townie donkeys led by the SNP who wouldn't know nature if it came and bit them on the arse). We stuck a deer fence around the croft six years ago and without any additional planting we now have several hundred saplings up to 7ft tall across the place. Deer destroy so much. Reduce the deer population as they have in Rothiemurchus by c90% and watch native flora and other, smaller fauna, recover quickly, even without further intervention.

Land use in Scotland is a complicated thing and many people involved in both sides have vested interests that they are trying to serve; the worst landowners simply want to stop people accessing their land and the left simply hate anyone having anything. I would like to see a stop put to heather burning by the grouse estates and make them deal with that hand. Reduce the deer population drastically and sell the meat (most venison sold in this country is farmed, which is utterly mental). Stop destroying wild areas with thousands of tons of concrete in wind and hydro schemes which simply destroy ecosystems and ruin what I want to protect. It's ironic that certain groups talk of culling the relatively small wild goat populations because of the damage they cause (while not making anyone money) while being quite happy with large sheep populations (which obviously make money) and even larger and more destructive red deer populations (again, money makers). Sadly these vested interests are rarely in the interest of those who actually just love being in the outdoors and exploring our wonderful wildenress and wild areas.
Some very good points.
And you are right, huge variation in the strategy of landowners, some very ecologically-driven and evidence-based, and not particularly motivated by subsidies.
On my part I manage a mixed new woodland (25 years old) ash, beech, oak with poplar windbreak. Ash Dieback is now endemic in the wood but we are upping the amount of English Oak - actively and with some volunteer specimens - and the thing with these is that they are very slow whilst establishing their root system and then .... they're off! with massive growth.
 
Someone needs to own the land
Yes, but why not us? (by which I mean public ownership). If those famous lefties in America can do it, why not us? The answer of course is 1,000 years of feudal land-owning, but let’s not let that stop us…

Interestingly, Natural England actually has the legal right to compulsory purchase of land deemed to be best protected by being publicly owned, but they’ve never exercised that right. I wonder why?

Anyway, I think you expressed yourself very well (though I would say that because I also happen to agree with pretty much everything you said).
 
I think where I see the issue with public land ownership is that it is inevitably driven by politicians, and right now I don't believe any of the politicians are capable or competent enough to drive any policy in this area, or find impartial advisers to support effective management. Those who want to save the planet with green energy see open areas of land without buildings or people as prime areas for dumping energy infrastructure, while those wanting to rewild and restore native woodland can be just as extreme in the other direction to the extent of wanting to cut down ecologically beneficial species like beech 'because they weren't here 1000 years ago'. Currently 'green' is trendy, but the reality is that all the current popularity for green stuff is based in the abundance of subsidies and investments, and the desire to save a wasteful way of life, and nothing to do with protecting ecology and native landscapes. And sadly, politicians in the modern world are driven by delusions of popularity, and thus steered by money and power. Those are absolutely not the people I want owning (or controlling) land that I care about because they would control it from the urbanised central belt. In Scotland SNH (cynically rebranded as NatureScot) and the Forestry Commission (again, rebranded as FLS) do a pretty piss poor job of what land they do hold. I can't see any other government quango doing any better, sadly.
 
Some very good points.
And you are right, huge variation in the strategy of landowners, some very ecologically-driven and evidence-based, and not particularly motivated by subsidies.
On my part I manage a mixed new woodland (25 years old) ash, beech, oak with poplar windbreak. Ash Dieback is now endemic in the wood but we are upping the amount of English Oak - actively and with some volunteer specimens - and the thing with these is that they are very slow whilst establishing their root system and then .... they're off! with massive growth.
Ash dieback is heartbreaking to see, they're one of my favourite trees, especially mature examples. Not many large trees can give such a vibrant glow in summer.

I admire anyone who is supporting developing woodland, it's a lot of effort. I've helped friends out in the past who help rewinding projects over winter when there's less climbing guide work, and it's a lot of effort for not much reward.

A slight aside; our croft was originally planted with various trees by my grandfather (yes, including Sitka) from road sides and other areas where saplings were growing that would not survive to mature hood, and from his friend at the local botanic garden, because he had no money. I've continued that habit and currently have pots all over the place up here with roadside finds totalling about fifty beech saplings, several hundred oaks (mostly but not all grown from germinated acorns), and numerous horse chestnuts. I've also rescued a few Cyprus and maples too. I want to grow more of a mix of shrubs on the place too such as Hawthorn and Blackthorn, which are good for birds in addition to the thousands of rowans we have here that various native and migratory birds love. The downside I have is that being on top of a wild hillside that's waterlogged for half the year (multiple burns run off the moor through the place) many trees won't grow, and ones which do are either selective with where they can grow, or do so very slowly. The Sitka are all coming to the end of their life, especially with the winds we're getting, so planting more stout things while there's still shelter to help them get established is a priority. I always find it ironic when someone with a brand new electric car but an astroturfed garden is trying to lecture me about my love of cars when they do absolutely sod all for anything environmental barring consuming more. I'm also trying to plant trees on the hillside around the thickets of gorse to protect them from deer and sheep to hopefully get a greater spread of plant life and shelter for nature in time.

Another aside was that until severely years into the new millennium it was actually illegal to grow trees on crofts. On one hand I admire anyone who wants to run a croft these days but it's a little like the Good Life; great if you already have money. It is and always has been subsistence living from the land where you still need a job. Post clearances crofts were sized specifically to be too small to survive on so that the laird would always have a supply of cheap labour to work the estate. Meanwhile trees were banned so that said laird could easily burn the roof off any croft and there would not be wood easily available to restore the croft. It's another element of Scottishness that somehow seems to get twisted. Nationalists blame the English when it was just other Scots (who have been kicking shite out of each other for millennia), and yet they still want to protect this way of life that's rooted in abject poverty and subservience. Anyway, our 'croft' is decrofted and thanks to my grandfather's disregard for rules he didn't respect (much like me I will add), we have a healthy native woodland growing with Roe deer, a healthy small bird population that keeps the sparrow hawk fat and happy, and other rodents to keep the ravens and buzzards around. All quite a healthy ecosystem, and all from a few trees.
 
I think where I see the issue with public land ownership is that it is inevitably driven by politicians, and right now I don't believe any of the politicians are capable or competent enough to drive any policy in this area, or find impartial advisers to support effective management. Those who want to save the planet with green energy see open areas of land without buildings or people as prime areas for dumping energy infrastructure, while those wanting to rewild and restore native woodland can be just as extreme in the other direction to the extent of wanting to cut down ecologically beneficial species like beech 'because they weren't here 1000 years ago'. Currently 'green' is trendy, but the reality is that all the current popularity for green stuff is based in the abundance of subsidies and investments, and the desire to save a wasteful way of life, and nothing to do with protecting ecology and native landscapes. And sadly, politicians in the modern world are driven by delusions of popularity, and thus steered by money and power. Those are absolutely not the people I want owning (or controlling) land that I care about because they would control it from the urbanised central belt. In Scotland SNH (cynically rebranded as NatureScot) and the Forestry Commission (again, rebranded as FLS) do a pretty piss poor job of what land they do hold. I can't see any other government quango doing any better, sadly.
Crikey that's news to me re beech and some people arguing that it is not native. How very odd. The complex eco system of a beech wood (and its morels and boletus) is an extraordinary thing. It's teeming with species.

I agree regarding politicians and ecosystems. But I do work with them and we have made some progress. For me it's very much about ecology. and indeed literally preserving the biosphere.
 
Crikey that's news to me re beech and some people arguing that it is not native. How very odd. The complex eco system of a beech wood (and its morels and boletus) is an extraordinary thing. It's teeming with species.

I agree regarding politicians and ecosystems. But I do work with them and we have made some progress. For me it's very much about ecology. and indeed literally preserving the biosphere.
I had a bunch of articles saved as they greatly annoyed me, I'll did the links out. I get that in some cases they can overwhelm woods but these same people will put more effort into removing beech from their woods while doing nothing to criticise the complete lack of life that exists in any plantation forest. Mental, and a prime reason why I don't see eye to eye with many people even those campaigning for or involved in things I do actually care about, because they can't take a pragmatic and balanced view on anything because they're so focused on their own specific area of interest. I do wonder if the desire to remove beech woodland is somehow rooted in the same anger against the wealthy given how many of the purer beech woodlands were planted on estates in victorian times, but maybe that's just my bias. Beech forests are beautiful and magnificent places, plus you can make Noyau from the spring leaves, and that beats acorn coffee any day of the week.

You sound very much like me. I don't greatly care about the human population, there are too many of us, and too many of us are too selfish and ignorant to look after the world around us already. More people will simply make that worse. Nature and wildlife, and the ecosystems are what I want to protect. Sadly we now seem to be at a stage where environmental campaigners are actually against those like us care about the world around us, because they simply care about themselves and continuing to live a wasteful, western way of life of overconsumption, conveniently ignoring the fact we can't consume our way out of a problem of overconsumption.
 
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