What Happened to Campagnolo?

[pigman]

Contrast and compare, as exam papers used to say

 

[bikeworkshop]

I've reached a point in my life when my car is worth more than my bike - but I can safely say it took me 50 years to get there... and my bikes aren't that fancy.

 

[georges1]

I've reached a point in my life when my car is worth more than my bike - but I can safely say it took me 50 years to get there... and my bikes aren't that fancy.

Well, for me I am staying out of the fashion of the 12speeds and 13 speeds groupsets with disc brakes which to me are pretty useless, uglier and of lower quality than was made before. I will stick withe very venerable Dura Ace 7800 groupset on all my race bikes which was short lived but of stellar quality.I focus on quality and absolute reliability.

 

[georges1]

Contrast and compare, as exam papers used to say

The Specialized is a made in China carbon frame and the wheels probably too, the bonded Dura Ace crank has to tendancy fail. Exhorbitant price for a bike that is supposed of high quality but to me which is of questionable quality. I would personally rather have a very limited edition 50th anniversary Allez frame made of Reynolds 853 in Japan than a carbon made in China frame.

 

[pigman]

Well, for me I am staying out of the fashion of the 12speeds and 13 speeds groupsets with disc brakes which to me are pretty useless, uglier and of lower quality than was made before. I will stick withe very venerable Dura Ace 7800 groupset on all my race bikes which was short lived but of stellar quality.I focus on quality and absolute reliability.

In my opinion DA 7800 was the best groupset ever made. Nice styling, good, reliable operation, sufficiently modern (in that who needs more than 10 cogs), easy to maintain etc etc

 

[georges1]

In my opinion DA 7800 was the best groupset ever made. Nice styling, good, reliable operation, sufficiently modern (in that who needs more than 10 cogs), easy to maintain etc etc

I totally agree

 

[paton]

On the subject of Campagnolo freehubs compatible with Shimano cassettes
https://www.chickencyclekit.co.uk/s...ampagnolo freehub,axles, post 2008 to current

FH-BUU015X1 Original Campagnolo freehub body, for Shimano cassettes.

Compatible with the following:

• Shimano 10/11 speed cassettes
• Campagnolo wheels with 17mm axles, post 2008 to current
• Bora Ultra TT
• Scirocco
• Khamsin Asymmetric G3

FEATURES:

• Original Campagnolo Spare part
• Designed for Shimano Cassettes (Campagnolo compatible version also available)
• For 17mm axles

FH-BO015X1 Original Campagnolo freehub body, for Shimano cassettes.

Compatible with the following:

• Shimano 10/11 speed cassettes
• Campagnolo wheels with 17mm axles
• Bora WTO 60 /45 / Bora Ultra 50 / 35 / Bora One 50 Disc / 35 Disc / Bora One 50 /35
• Shamal Mille / Shamal Ultra Disc / Shamal Ultra C17
• Scirocco Disc
• Zonda Disc / Zonda C17

FEATURES

• Original Campagnolo Spare part
• Designed for Shimano Cassettes (Campagnolo compatible version also available)
• For 17mm axles
• White Alloy Body

FH-BU015X1 Original Campagnolo freehub body, for Shimano cassettes.

Compatible with the following:

• Shimano 10/11 speed cassettes
• Campagnolo wheels with 12mm axles
• Pre 2014 Vento / Scirocco / Khamsin / Bullet
• Calima

FEATURES

• Original Campagnolo Spare part
• Designed for Shimano Cassettes (Campagnolo compatible version also available)
• For 12mm axles

 

[bikeworkshop]

The Specialized is a made in China carbon frame and the wheels probably too, the bonded Dura Ace crank has to tendancy to fail.

The crank failure from shimano was ultegra and dura-ace 11s:

The current model is 9200 12s and you can be sure they will have fixed the problem.
I doubt any brands are offering the recalled cranks on new bikes.

The chainsets were pretty good for a couple of years, but repeated use and age led to failure in a way that ultimately the market felt was unacceptable, although the professional rider would have moved on already.

The pursuit of light weight at the expense of long term reliability hit the wall of lawyers.
Not a bad thing.

Totally agree about the rest of it though, I'm sure it's an impressive thing to ride, but I don't want one in any way at all.

 

[LondonClassic]

...the bonded Dura Ace crank has to tendancy fail.

The one they knew about for 11 years and did nothing until the lawsuits. I know you said up there somewhere that Campagnolo were an 'arrogant' company. Japanese companies are normally the most transparent when it comes to recalls....I could not understand how this was left to fester into the millions of units. Can you imagine Toyota or Honda doing that?

Just saying...

 

[bikeworkshop]

The one they knew about for 11 years and did nothing until the lawsuits. I know you said up there somewhere that Campagnolo were an 'arrogant' company. Japanese companies are normally the most transparent when it comes to recalls....I could not understand how this was left to fester into the millions of units. Can you imagine Toyota or Honda doing that?

Just saying...

I think they considered the race- level stuff had a 2 year guarantee, and wasn't designed to last any longer.

It took almost 10 years for the lawyers to get on board.

But we accept wheel failure, I mean in the days of rim brakes, you could wear out a race level wheel in 6 months - and it could kill you!

Tyres, brake pads, chains, cables can all be considered consumable.

But I think shimano had started to consider every racing level component consumable in the quest for performance.