What Happened to Campagnolo?

[pigman]

The one they knew about for 11 years and did nothing until the lawsuits. I know you said up there somewhere that Campagnolo were an 'arrogant' company. Japanese companies are normally the most transparent when it comes to recalls....I could not understand how this was left to fester into the millions of units. Can you imagine Toyota or Honda doing that?

Just saying...

The car manufacturers are much bigger and can better withstand the financial impact of a sudden cost Not an excuse, but a reason.
Plus the general population has a better grasp of motor brands, so any negativity hits society's perception. A failing bike components brand affects very few people. And for those that are affected, the availability of alternatives is limited, both by lack of choice or due to compatibility, so lessening sales is unlikely. While ever Pog etc al continue to win on Shimano, the cycling masses need it

 

[pigman]

I think they considered the race- level stuff had a 2 year guarantee, and wasn't designed to last any longer.

It took almost 10 years for the lawyers to get on board.

But we accept wheel failure, I mean in the days of rim brakes, you could wear out a race level wheel in 6 months - and it could kill you!

Tyres, brake pads, chains, cables can all be considered consumable.

But I think shimano had started to consider every racing level component consumable in the quest for performance.

The thing with those examples are that the wear is apparent. I can see worn rims, rusty cables. Worn chains manifest themselves with skipping gears. First you know of a crank failure is when it happens - and the occurrence could be catastrophic. If we decided to treat cranks as consumables, then when do we replace? Time? Mileage? Regular exposure to bad weather?

 

[LondonClassic]

The car manufacturers are much bigger and can better withstand the financial impact of a sudden cost Not an excuse, but a reason.
Plus the general population has a better grasp of motor brands, so any negativity hits society's perception.

I don't agree with this @pigman

Shimano, the multi billion dollar international company and industry leader, household name ... but as soon as they might have released 3-4 million critically failing components they should be considered to be too small to withstand a rigourous recall policy? If that were true then they'd never have done what they have, which is to finally issue safety notices and replacements.

 

[pigman]

I don't agree with this @pigman

Shimano, the multi billion dollar international company and industry leader, household name ... but as soon as they might have released 3-4 million critically failing components they should be considered to be too small to withstand a rigourous recall policy? If that were true then they'd never have done what they have, which is to finally issue safety notices and replacements.

No excuses exonerate their actions - I agree - But what I posted are reasons. 2 distinct sides of the coin

 

[georges1]

The crank failure from shimano was ultegra and dura-ace 11s:
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The current model is 9200 12s and you can be sure they will have fixed the problem.
I doubt any brands are offering the recalled cranks on new bikes.

The chainsets were pretty good for a couple of years, but repeated use and age led to failure in a way that ultimately the market felt was unacceptable, although the professional rider would have moved on already.

The pursuit of light weight at the expense of long term reliability hit the wall of lawyers.
Not a bad thing.

Totally agree about the rest of it though, I'm sure it's an impressive thing to ride, but I don't want one in any way at all.

Well I prefer forged cranked over bonded ones that is why I stick to 7700 or 7800 crankset or fsa isis carbon crankset but never bonded ones

 

[bikeworkshop]

Well I prefer forged cranked over bonded ones that is why I stick to 7700 or 7800 crankset or fsa isis carbon crankset but never bonded ones

The fsa carbon isis cranks fail at the bond between the arm and the spider.
Less life threatening.
Harder to recycle.

 

[georges1]

The one they knew about for 11 years and did nothing until the lawsuits. I know you said up there somewhere that Campagnolo were an 'arrogant' company. Japanese companies are normally the most transparent when it comes to recalls....I could not understand how this was left to fester into the millions of units. Can you imagine Toyota or Honda doing that?

Just saying...

On a high end model like a Toyota Century or even a Lexus LS400 and LS430, it never happened. Shimano maybe found that forging cranks was too costly so switched to a more economical way of manufacturing cranks but not a better one.

 

[georges1]

The fsa carbon isis cranks fail at the bond between the arm and the spider.
Less life threatening.
Harder to recycle.

A friend of mine has his since 10 years they didn't fail . If they do, I will buy spare Dura Ace 7700-7800 cranks in spare

 

[bikeworkshop]

We do get brought stuff that is broken, so failures are over-represented in my daily life, but isis wasn't very good, and a lot of glued up components reach a creaky end.

The shimano crank failures were glued, but they were also about the lightest and stiffest available.
Just didn't last well, but nothing lasts for ever.

 

[georges1]

We do get brought stuff that is broken, so failures are over-represented in my daily life, but isis wasn't very good, and a lot of glued up components reach a creaky end.

The shimano crank failures were glued, but they were also about the lightest and stiffest available.
Just didn't last well, but nothing lasts for ever.

The worst crank I had was with Race Face Evolve crank, bent axle on the left side after two MTB rides . My dura ace 7700 and 7800 cranks are fine, I have one ST carbon crank with octalink that is fine too.