VERY technical history question about ti frames.

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It seems most companies back in the day didn't employ ti welders so sent their specs out to titanium specialists to build them. It's like saying a ti Kona is actually a Litespeed built to Kona geometry. So, question is...who built who's frames?
 
TST, in Washington State used to build Sandvik ti frames for a lot of companies, including Kona.
 
My Xizang was built in GT's Tech Shop in California. Earlier frames were built somewhere in Canada, and possibly also by Sandvik, but never by Litespeed.

Marin Team Titaniums were made initially by Merlin and then later by Litespeed.
 
There was an article in Privateer a couple of issues back about the subject. IIRC Litespeed made frames for 35 different companies.
 
Litespeed and TST/Sandvik did a lot of the work for the north american brands

offhand i am pretty sure kona, KHS and diamondback are all TST/sandvik products

Raleigh built their own in the UK

the thing is, there's really no such thing as a bad Ti welder - since it's so difficult to work with, they're generally well proven as being top workers on other metals first
 
It has nothing much to do with welding skills as such, rather that you need to weld in an inert atmosphere free of impurities by using shielding equipment, which only specialist facilities can achieve. However proficient the welding, if there are any impurities in a ti weld, it will be liable to crack in service.

As far as I am aware, Litespeed was by far the biggest supplier of ti frames to other brands, followed by TST (later TiSport) and Merlin, while A-Pro was the leading ti welder in Taiwan. Most cheaper ti frames were welded in Russia by anonymous companies.

Litespeed made Marins until 1995, when they shifted the contract to TST. My 1995 KHS TiLite was supposedly made by Litespeed, and certainly looks like a Litespeed build, but I haven't seen an explanation of why they could sell them for £700. Konas and Rocky Mountains were made by TST, which incidentally was at that time a subsidiary of Sandvic but didn't always use Sandvic tubes (TST was a ti tube wholesaler as well as builder, and wholesaled other brands of tube than just Sandvic). Orange and VooDoo were built by A-Pro. I don't know about other brands.

The VooDoo D'Jab is a good example of the the answer to your question, in that it was always made by A-Pro, even in the twentieth century when the Bizango, Wanga and Bokor were made in California in the same factory as the Kona Hot and Ku. It was an excellent facility where Mountain Goats were made and it was still lead by Jeff Lindsay. You won't find better, but they didn't have the facilities to weld the D'Jab, so that was contracted to A-Pro who did.
 
cce":1kz3i7qd said:
Raleigh built their own in the UK

the thing is, there's really no such thing as a bad Ti welder - since it's so difficult to work with, they're generally well proven as being top workers on other metals first
Have you seen Raleigh's ti frames?
Have you?
:shock:
 
suburbanreuben":2h12jy06 said:
cce":2h12jy06 said:
Raleigh built their own in the UK

the thing is, there's really no such thing as a bad Ti welder - since it's so difficult to work with, they're generally well proven as being top workers on other metals first
Have you seen Raleigh's ti frames?
Have you?
:shock:

the later ones are great frames. ok so the early ones are cack....
 
I seem to recall reading that the later Airbornes came out of a Russian (or Chinese ?) factory that built satellite stuff for Motorola ?

WD :D
 
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