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silverclaws":3irlrstm said:
So are you for the jack or the tyre? You don't seem to be in either camp just waffling on about your dreary life?
silverclaws
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I am never in any camp, perhaps I am not camp enough.
But hey, this is the general and off topic area, you know the area where many come to rant and rave about the unfairness of society and other random bollocks.
But hey, this is the general and off topic area, you know the area where many come to rant and rave about the unfairness of society and other random bollocks.
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apologies for the delay i was working until very late yesterday in a caring capacity, aplogies also that i cant do the quotey thing in boxes that others can do.
Oddly and from experience, it is the male that perpetuates the division between the genders, what I personally view as people desperately hanging on to the last vestiges of a dying attitude of superiority just because history has put men before women.
The women I know can do everything a man can do including.... yes, but of the men I now, not many can do what women can do, including the natural ability to care about others, something men have to work at, if they care.
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you know it really gets my goat when people say in my experience as opposed to in my opinion, unless your experience is as a deity of course.
“Why, does experience count for nothing ? “
It counts for nothing as it is subjective , it is opinion , it is your interpretation and as such it can not be relied upon
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As for this superiority nonsense , in my experience based on living in a world where a large proportion of the population are men, I am yet to meet one who has actually said or truly believes that they are superior to women.
“You obviously haven't experienced that much yet then, because what is here in parts of Britain, in Europe and perhaps the Western world is not the rule for the rest of the world. Travel a bit outside of the Western world and see what the world is really like.”
You appear to wish, if my understanding is correct to enter into a debate concerning religion and culture, which I am not prepared to do. I would say however that I have met and know personally many highly educated, IMO intelligent Muslim women, who have fully questioned and understood their religion, and continue to embrace Islam and who do not feel at all oppressed by it. Quite the opposite in fact!!
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I also find it quite sad that so called intelligent and enlightened men continue to subscribe to the outdated conspiracy theory that is feminism, one they most probably adopted to help get some action I must add, without giving any thought or reflection to what it actually is saying. In my experience it is men who spout this sort of nonsense who are actually closet misogynists.
“I am no feminist by a long shot, although I do support some feminist issues in the name of equality, not anything where superiority is involved, because that is just replacing one inequality with another as I seek balance in all things and with although the genders do have their differences, equality of the genders makes humanity whole, that being a couple comprising of male and female stands the best chance of the right decisions if each other's strengths are taken with equal consideration.”
You see my point is that you argument is ignorant and superficial. The debate has moved on, have a look at post modernism and how is has debunked the bunkage that is or was feminism.
See what is required is a humanistic perspective and understanding, The so last decade gender nonsense you are raising can be very much simplified in one regard. It is about groups with power and their oppression of groups without. You want to know about oppression, who are the most oppressed group in the world right now, IMO it is transgendered people. Have a look at the oppressive bile that those hairy legged feminists have to say about transgender people, how they cannot accept that a man can become a woman as it negates their whole argument.
You suggest also that women have less power than men and that that is universal?
Why then do women fair better in the family courts in terms of custody of children?
If women have less power in the workplace( I don’t agree that they do) does it continue that they have less power in the family home, in the care of children, in the bedroom etc etc etc, no it doesn’t. so your argument is too simplistic. It seems you fail to recognise that power is displayed in many different forms and in many different areas of life, which your blanket statements do not allow for.
Why is it that black women do better in society than black men for example?
“But because of some of the things I choose to do, I have actually fought feminist values in situations where UK laws about equality only appear to work one way, not that they appear that way, it is just the way they are implemented, strangely and authoritatively by men, the very gender that is appealing for the equality laws to be invoked. “
I refer you to my above point on the current law in the UK and its treatment of men.
“So despite large leaps and strides in equality that the feminist movement brought about, much of Britain is still misogynistic, even slightly, veiled though it is, the attitudes still exist even in jokes and as an unusual result from the equalising of the genders there has now come about the subject of misandry, a situation where males are now being discriminated against just because they are males and a lot of it is done by males and males in authority.”
I would say this is done by women and not men, and is a direct result of feminism, i.e feminism has actually led to the oppression of men.
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As for men lacking the natural ability to care , I find this equally offensive and absolute nonsense to boot.
“You might care, but does that go for every male you know ? But a question, what would you sooner have a male doctor or a female doctor”
I do care. I have worked in a caring profession for 18 years and I’m very good at it. I also care for my children. Perhaps you wish to suggest that a man’s inability to CARE (nonsense panty girdles) , a notion you have failed to define by the way, results in men having less love for their children, or that a mother’s love is somehow superior?
I would also say that I have never met a male who does not care about someone, but again you appear to suggest that care can only be displayed in one way. My father was quite a reserved old fashioned chap, seldom gave praise, showed emotion or hugged us as children, but he worked seven days a week in a back breaking job, to ensure we all had everything we needed. That’s what I call care!!
If what you say is true, that men are lacking in their ability to care or lack emotional intelligence , have you given any thought to why this is?, who was responsible for ignoring the vitally important area of their childhood development? who as a result of their socialisation have less power in this regard.
The gender of the doctor is irrelevant here , although I might add that as a rather randy youth I have had to go to the doctor three times with ailments of the knob, and on each occasion I chose a female doctor, although this has probably more to do with my appendicitis being diagnosed by a male doctor who stuck his fingers up my arse.
Oddly and from experience, it is the male that perpetuates the division between the genders, what I personally view as people desperately hanging on to the last vestiges of a dying attitude of superiority just because history has put men before women.
The women I know can do everything a man can do including.... yes, but of the men I now, not many can do what women can do, including the natural ability to care about others, something men have to work at, if they care.
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you know it really gets my goat when people say in my experience as opposed to in my opinion, unless your experience is as a deity of course.
“Why, does experience count for nothing ? “
It counts for nothing as it is subjective , it is opinion , it is your interpretation and as such it can not be relied upon
Quote:
As for this superiority nonsense , in my experience based on living in a world where a large proportion of the population are men, I am yet to meet one who has actually said or truly believes that they are superior to women.
“You obviously haven't experienced that much yet then, because what is here in parts of Britain, in Europe and perhaps the Western world is not the rule for the rest of the world. Travel a bit outside of the Western world and see what the world is really like.”
You appear to wish, if my understanding is correct to enter into a debate concerning religion and culture, which I am not prepared to do. I would say however that I have met and know personally many highly educated, IMO intelligent Muslim women, who have fully questioned and understood their religion, and continue to embrace Islam and who do not feel at all oppressed by it. Quite the opposite in fact!!
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I also find it quite sad that so called intelligent and enlightened men continue to subscribe to the outdated conspiracy theory that is feminism, one they most probably adopted to help get some action I must add, without giving any thought or reflection to what it actually is saying. In my experience it is men who spout this sort of nonsense who are actually closet misogynists.
“I am no feminist by a long shot, although I do support some feminist issues in the name of equality, not anything where superiority is involved, because that is just replacing one inequality with another as I seek balance in all things and with although the genders do have their differences, equality of the genders makes humanity whole, that being a couple comprising of male and female stands the best chance of the right decisions if each other's strengths are taken with equal consideration.”
You see my point is that you argument is ignorant and superficial. The debate has moved on, have a look at post modernism and how is has debunked the bunkage that is or was feminism.
See what is required is a humanistic perspective and understanding, The so last decade gender nonsense you are raising can be very much simplified in one regard. It is about groups with power and their oppression of groups without. You want to know about oppression, who are the most oppressed group in the world right now, IMO it is transgendered people. Have a look at the oppressive bile that those hairy legged feminists have to say about transgender people, how they cannot accept that a man can become a woman as it negates their whole argument.
You suggest also that women have less power than men and that that is universal?
Why then do women fair better in the family courts in terms of custody of children?
If women have less power in the workplace( I don’t agree that they do) does it continue that they have less power in the family home, in the care of children, in the bedroom etc etc etc, no it doesn’t. so your argument is too simplistic. It seems you fail to recognise that power is displayed in many different forms and in many different areas of life, which your blanket statements do not allow for.
Why is it that black women do better in society than black men for example?
“But because of some of the things I choose to do, I have actually fought feminist values in situations where UK laws about equality only appear to work one way, not that they appear that way, it is just the way they are implemented, strangely and authoritatively by men, the very gender that is appealing for the equality laws to be invoked. “
I refer you to my above point on the current law in the UK and its treatment of men.
“So despite large leaps and strides in equality that the feminist movement brought about, much of Britain is still misogynistic, even slightly, veiled though it is, the attitudes still exist even in jokes and as an unusual result from the equalising of the genders there has now come about the subject of misandry, a situation where males are now being discriminated against just because they are males and a lot of it is done by males and males in authority.”
I would say this is done by women and not men, and is a direct result of feminism, i.e feminism has actually led to the oppression of men.
Quote:
As for men lacking the natural ability to care , I find this equally offensive and absolute nonsense to boot.
“You might care, but does that go for every male you know ? But a question, what would you sooner have a male doctor or a female doctor”
I do care. I have worked in a caring profession for 18 years and I’m very good at it. I also care for my children. Perhaps you wish to suggest that a man’s inability to CARE (nonsense panty girdles) , a notion you have failed to define by the way, results in men having less love for their children, or that a mother’s love is somehow superior?
I would also say that I have never met a male who does not care about someone, but again you appear to suggest that care can only be displayed in one way. My father was quite a reserved old fashioned chap, seldom gave praise, showed emotion or hugged us as children, but he worked seven days a week in a back breaking job, to ensure we all had everything we needed. That’s what I call care!!
If what you say is true, that men are lacking in their ability to care or lack emotional intelligence , have you given any thought to why this is?, who was responsible for ignoring the vitally important area of their childhood development? who as a result of their socialisation have less power in this regard.
The gender of the doctor is irrelevant here , although I might add that as a rather randy youth I have had to go to the doctor three times with ailments of the knob, and on each occasion I chose a female doctor, although this has probably more to do with my appendicitis being diagnosed by a male doctor who stuck his fingers up my arse.
rosstheboss
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legrandefromage":31uf7bbw said:
It would be weird if it was called something like Fiona though wouldn't it?
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rosstheboss":26q5z4k2 said:
just of to fiona the car dear.
