Under 25's to lose housing benefit ?

[silverclaws]

The business idea I have in mind requires a stable existence, stable enough for a myriad of mechanical tools and heavy machinery to be situated, that ain't gonna happen as in my mind, what I was thinking was a return to the past to what every village had and does not have any more and so suffers with having to source elsewhere at costs that do not reflect the quality of the product.

At the age of 43 I was for the first time in my life offered my dream apprenticeship, but I cannot take that offer up as the craftsman concerned could not pay me to survive as his survival was in danger, he is still one of those old craftsmen that my business idea rests upon. I know where he is going wrong but he is stick in the mud traditionalist and that is his undoing and mine.

Property is too expensive, no business can thrive even rented there are too many regulations and rents are too high.

 

[Neil]

A ‘home’ is a commodity now more than ever before. The status of a dwelling as a family home, to be “passed through the generations”, has massively diminished over the past few decades.

Capitalism determined this trend, and dictates it must continue.

The level of property related indebtedness in Britain resulted from propaganda and the organised abuse of the credit system.

That cannot be a good thing for this society, yet it is continuing, with those who govern complicit in that.

The erosion of communities has accelerated in tandem with home ownership over these past few decades. No co-incidence.

I can see how the over-encouragement of house buying and market economy for council and community housing may have had a negative impact - but I'm far from sure I buy all of this, has it's root cause in the desire to own property. After all, we are largely hard-wired towards that.

The relatively enormous resources people are putting into property could often be better directed at developing small businesses.

Bogus - not everyone can or should be involved in business.

However, property - as a medium-to-long-term investment, is reasonably sound. Sometimes there's bubbles, sometimes there's some boom and bust, but for most that want a home, and something to show a ways down the line, home-ownership is not the pariah that many - including you - are making it out to be.

The tunnel vision imposed by the prima facie profitability of property ownership stifles other avenues of entrepreneurship.

It's a crock to assume that most would be better served by small business or speculation.

Have you bought and sold property?

Yes - merely one at a time.

You didn't answer my question - do you own property?

Fair play would suggest it is fine to disagree about this, but if you want to suggest I am talking a 'crock' or whatever, at least do me the basic and attend to what I have actually said.

I did - and you implied that - ok being generous - more people would be served by being entrepeneurs than simply something that's a fairly stable investment for them, long term, home ownership.

I don't recall having said some of what you suggest.

You're heavily implying that for most of society that home ownership, or the drive to it, has a) been imposed on society b) is largely bad for society c) would be better served by many speculating.

My statements include "could often be" and "stifles other avenues of entrepreneurship".

And it's that sentiment I've addressed.

For the masses, I strongly disagree - for the masses, the practically enforced saving and collateral that home ownership has provided, I believe is a better alternative that what you appear to be advocating.

That in recent times, financial instituitions and many in the public have in some examples over-stretched themselves, is hardly limited to home ownership and is more about unfettered profiteering than the desire by many to own their own home.

There is no suggestion that "everyone can or should be involved in business" in what I have said, nor that "most would be better served by small business or speculation" in my words.

So exactly what are you saying in relation to busines or speculation in relation to many in society having a desire to own their home?

I have clearly suggested the intense focus on owning property at any cost is negative, and as this is something I feel has been imposed on most in society, by those with nothing good in mind and by foul means, I am certainly of the opinion it is a bad thing.

I'm not sure I buy it's been imposed.

That many want to and have for some time - perhaps has been more exploited - but that's hardly been limited to home ownership.

It just seems the pariah that many love to hate, and the new bandwagon.

The important thing is not the owning of property, it is how one came into it, and how significant the journey was.

For some - whatever.

For others, hardly.

In my own lifetime I have seen the transition from generations owning the same farm/croft/townhouse/hotel/business to the constant swapping 'up' and moving on the lust for a crust entails.

Something very beautiful has been destroyed by this.

There's nothing new under the sun, here.

That financial instituitions and the public have run a bit unfettered with levels of personal debt, is no reason to see the desire for home ownership as the pariah - it isn't - it's merely a symptom in these scenarios.

edit: and you've STILL ducked the question: do you own property?

 

[greenstiles]

I have chav scum that live above me, but they work, so not all chav scum are spongers, you can just have bad people next door.

If you have ever paid taxes, why shouldn't you be entitled to benefits (short term) that's why we pay taxes for all services on offer.

As for long term, if you can force people to work doing pointless comunity projects , why not force them to do proper jobs and end up putting thier wages back into the system,instead of most (i say most) migrant workers who mostly send their money back to their own country increasing their own countries economy. (that's economics, not racism for any idiots who would call me a racist ) if migrants want to settle here and raise families and stay and pay 'fully' into the system that's fine, then they just become one of the UK's regular tax payers.

Also there are many many migrants who just come over here for our benefit sytem, putting it under more pressure. Or migrant workers who claim tax credits that go to spouses abroad again feeing their economy not ours.

Not all under 25's are hoodies and chavs.

 

[Neil G]

How to mend Broken Britain?
Well none of it seems unreasonable to me

If any of you had benefit sponging freeloading, rutting, sprogpopping, 20 year old, foul-mouthed, neanderchav scum neighbours like mine you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.
The welfare system, in my mind is crippling this country and encouraging neighbours like mine.
What's fair about us working hard all our lives to make ends meet and then getting neighbours on an all expenses paid lifestyle with a better house simply by having a sprog, then follow up with a string of more sprogs cos they have nothing better to do.
They're not trapped, they choose it because it's given to them on a plate.

Out-of-work benefits linked to wages rather than inflation, if wages are lower
A cap on the amount people can earn and still live in a council house
Reduce the current £20,000 housing benefit limit
Stopping the out-of-work being better off by having children
Consider paying some benefits "in kind" rather than in cash
Expecting parents on income support to prepare for work while children have free nursery care
Getting the physically able to do full-time community work after a period out of work
Sickness benefit claimants should take steps to improve their health


We're now outnumbered (so don't try and tell me it's isolated cases) by baby-popping, never-worked, neighbours and their feral offspring make our lives purgatory and we're paying for it! All I can say is; thanks a bunch to all those holier-than-though narrow-minded do-gooders, I hope you get neighbours like mine sometime soon and can't move, sell, rent, sleep, live in peace safety security and decency and bring up your kids in a nice neighbourhood either.

Rant over, logging off.

Good post

I've never had first hand exerience livng near to these people but I can understand the rage!

 

[gibbleking]

It's like having your best bike getting stolen every day of the week.my most favorite of all time was Christmas a few years ago.from first thing to midnight he was drunk and screaming at the kids all day.he only stopped when she had him arrested again at 1 in the morning.of course he was back a day later and he continued where he left off.the language they both used in front of the kids was soul destroying.I had four sets of neighbors like that in a row.

 

[ringo]

The welfare system, in my mind is crippling this country and encouraging neighbours like mine.

If nothing else this statement sums up this thread for me.

I feel the pain of anyone who has to put up with antisocial behaviour.

Housing benefit should be there to bridge the gap between lower end wages and higher rental prices (due to property increases).

Were to far down the road for an easy solution, but at least the issue is on someones agenda...

Any idea's how a fair and equitable solution for the entire population could be brokered?

 

[greenstiles]

Individual assesment and monitoring..........but that would cost an arm and a leg.

Disabled people who run for buses, false bad backs, claiming while living somewhere else, claiming while working, claiming rent and benefits on a property you don't live in, etc etc etc.........it's not just the under 25's who drain the welfare system.

There was that guy in the news who was the motorcycle rider for a rogue trader prog who got done recently for about £20,000 of housing benefit even though he got paid £50,000 off the BBC in that period...

 

[greenstiles]

Here's the article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... fraud.html

 

[IDB1]

Soon there is a cap in benefits coming into force. It will be knocked off housing benefit, many will be affected.

There is also a cap on the amount that the government will pay for a property..
This means that people who want to live in affluent areas will have to either stump up the extra or go live somewhere else.

30 families have already been forced out of Newham by this scheme.

It has a lot of positives, imo.. but potentially some rather painful negatives.

 

[greenstiles]

yup people are being forced to move to other areas in the country by delibrate high rents in order to cleanse areas of pooer people, councils are asking other councils to take tenants off their hands and into other areas.