Under 25's to lose housing benefit ?

[highlandsflyer]

That sounds very much like it. They have the cheek to boast about bringing the Olympics in under budget as well!

The whole idea of considering those under 25 as somehow different from those over 25 is damn odd to me.

I can understand if they were to look at 16 year old to eighteen year old, but how many people at age 24 are able to live with their parents?

This shower in power really don't give a fig about the people.

 

[greenstiles]

dyna-ti i think you right..........sadly you are right...............plenty of money in the pot as usual, and we blinking gave em it. Olympic games nice idea, but not at that price....talk about adding 0000's to a figue just to see if you can get away with it.........and still we do nothing about such things. :cry:

I want to live in the middle of nowhere again and not look at the news for the rest of my life.

 

[Neil]

A ‘home’ is a commodity now more than ever before. The status of a dwelling as a family home, to be “passed through the generations”, has massively diminished over the past few decades.

Capitalism determined this trend, and dictates it must continue.

The level of property related indebtedness in Britain resulted from propaganda and the organised abuse of the credit system.

That cannot be a good thing for this society, yet it is continuing, with those who govern complicit in that.

The erosion of communities has accelerated in tandem with home ownership over these past few decades. No co-incidence.

I can see how the over-encouragement of house buying and market economy for council and community housing may have had a negative impact - but I'm far from sure I buy all of this, has it's root cause in the desire to own property. After all, we are largely hard-wired towards that.

The relatively enormous resources people are putting into property could often be better directed at developing small businesses.

Bogus - not everyone can or should be involved in business.

However, property - as a medium-to-long-term investment, is reasonably sound. Sometimes there's bubbles, sometimes there's some boom and bust, but for most that want a home, and something to show a ways down the line, home-ownership is not the pariah that many - including you - are making it out to be.

The tunnel vision imposed by the prima facie profitability of property ownership stifles other avenues of entrepreneurship.

It's a crock to assume that most would be better served by small business or speculation.

Have you bought and sold property?

Yes - merely one at a time.

You didn't answer my question - do you own property?

 

[silverclaws]

Homlessness creates a lot actually, can you imagine families living on the streets of Britain, in simple, they won't be allowed, but then the common land has gone so there will be nobody setting up shelters from the weather, so what to do about homeless people ?

The only thing to do is put them in accommodation, which then reduces what is available for others to rent and so drives up rental prices down to sheer lack of availability. Now because private landlords are assured they are going to get what they demand because the public purse is paying, buying rental property is good business and so houses being bought for this purpose takes houses away from families that want homes and so prices are driven up.

Who benefits from this ultimately, yes, the lending institutions, who loses, the poorest who just get poorer, the whole hierarchy to a point steps backwards. The fabled divide between the rich an poor getting wider.

But please partisan rumblings, what's the point, they were taught at the same schools, they are all the same, out of touch and out for themselves, we don't matter.

 

[silverclaws]

dyna-ti i think you right..........sadly you are right...............plenty of money in the pot as usual, and we blinking gave em it. Olympic games nice idea, but not at that price....talk about adding 0000's to a figue just to see if you can get away with it.........and still we do nothing about such things. :cry:

I want to live in the middle of nowhere again and not look at the news for the rest of my life.

We gave them the money, we had no say and they took the money to do with as they please as they always do as to remember we elect these scrotes to represent us, that is what they say is us whether it is or not and because of the party whip, they do as they are told by the leader, not act on their conscience or what their constituency demands. Which kind of makes electing these people a waste of time because once in government, they do as they are told and we, effectively have no say, good this democracy isn't it ?

Now digital tv, the red button to vote why did bliar push for the country to be digitised, did he see a possibility to gauge public opinion via the tv set it is assumed every household in Britain has, or was it a new way of voting to be considered, did he understand our current system is a crock?

As to dipping out of the system, Britain is too small to do that, one has to head for bigger countries or countries where one can get lost more easily.

 

[greenstiles]

silverclaws sometimes your words are pure genius well said, i say.

 

[gbsimpsa]

How to mend Broken Britain?
Well none of it seems unreasonable to me

If any of you had benefit sponging freeloading, rutting, sprogpopping, 20 year old, foul-mouthed, neanderchav scum neighbours like mine you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.
The welfare system, in my mind is crippling this country and encouraging neighbours like mine.
What's fair about us working hard all our lives to make ends meet and then getting neighbours on an all expenses paid lifestyle with a better house simply by having a sprog, then follow up with a string of more sprogs cos they have nothing better to do.
They're not trapped, they choose it because it's given to them on a plate.

Out-of-work benefits linked to wages rather than inflation, if wages are lower
A cap on the amount people can earn and still live in a council house
Reduce the current £20,000 housing benefit limit
Stopping the out-of-work being better off by having children
Consider paying some benefits "in kind" rather than in cash
Expecting parents on income support to prepare for work while children have free nursery care
Getting the physically able to do full-time community work after a period out of work
Sickness benefit claimants should take steps to improve their health


We're now outnumbered (so don't try and tell me it's isolated cases) by baby-popping, never-worked, neighbours and their feral offspring make our lives purgatory and we're paying for it! All I can say is; thanks a bunch to all those holier-than-though narrow-minded do-gooders, I hope you get neighbours like mine sometime soon and can't move, sell, rent, sleep, live in peace safety security and decency and bring up your kids in a nice neighbourhood either.

Rant over, logging off.

 

[gibbleking]

i spent the last 7 years living on a whole street of them...made our lives a misery.you make a complaint and you have to keep a diary for montha before they proceed.then when they get the eventual visit they make bogus complaints in reverse and the whole thing starts again..i was better off in a 2 man caravan in a field with no running water then when i lived there.once his pit bull type thing tried to chew thru the fence to get to my kids..had it got thru i wouldbt be a parent any more.we complained..nothing happened...the council lack the stones to do anything these days but placate the drug dealing wife beater scum i was forced to live next to all that time.he was arrreste3 times in the first week by his wife/live in baby popper for assult,battery,you name it.within hours he would have moved back in.this guy still lives there even tho he isnt supposed to be a tenant.they claim benefits ,yet drink and fight all day,they live illegally whilst claiming for else where...the list goes on..my heart goes out to those who endure these animals ....in years my kids never went out the front and played...we would have drunks making comments,older boys exposing themselves when their so called parents were fast asleep at 2 in the afternoon.one kids father never bothered with even trying to work...he just stole what he wanted...yet still had his 3 bed council house,,all his benefits and an oldest son who spent the best part of his time setting fire to gardens of people he didnt like .i have no quarrel with those who cant find work if they try...its the ones who do nothing that make my blood boil.

 

[silverclaws]

One just cannot choose their neighbours, if we could no one would be good enough for some.

Physically abled, cool, I am physically abled giz a job, go on giz a job am bored shitless of staying in because there is no money to go out and staying in because it becomes a way of life.

Council housing yeah, that too as it is more secure than what I am living in, the landlady is angling for me to leave, the rent is going up due to demand the first rent rise in six years but being unemployed who will rent to me, do you know what '' No DSS '' means ? I am facing homlessness, but it is in my mind not to take it lying down.

I can't get a council home because nobody caters for single males and besides none have been built to replace the stock sold, the money for the sales was prohibited by central government to be touched, but I bet it's gone now seized by central government along with the announcement of the sale of national assets, bridges and the like when the tories seized power.

Besides Thatcher policy of 1980's allowed the sale of council houses to those living in them in attempt to break up the labour voting strong holds which was the council estates where poor people lived in council houses because they were poor, but with that break up came the death of the community as the tories tempted people with the one thing no man is immune from;greed. Everything we reap now has it's roots in the late 1970's and 1980's where a minority looked after their own interests feathering their own nests as they do now.

Oh yeah, and I voted for Thatcher once, my first vote because I lived in a middle class area and could not see what life was like for others to vote different, I can now, I have learned my lesson and what a tough lesson it is !

So what have we got, a large population on a small island with more people pouring in unchecked and birth encouraged by government hand outs and not the housing nor the industry to support them, tell me how the hell is this going to be sorted out as I can see nothing aside from plague or war that is going to stabilise this country again.



But as to ''council house scum'' before I moved down here from where I was in Oxford, I lived amongst them, they destroyed everything I had including much of my mind, every night was gun fire, drugs, violence feral kids, robberies and cops the whole place was dog eat dog almost primitive survival in modern times everyone preying on everyone else. But of course contain the worst in the same place and the worst don't get any better, those thrown in through no fault of their own with the scum end up being the scum, either that or carted away on murder charges or dead.

The problem is containing the crap when sense is the crap needs to be spread thin, keeping them away from their own kind and that means putting them where they are not wanted to keep them relatively quiet. Of course pity those who live next door or even down the street, but that is the way it is, we are nothing to those that control us, we are expected to just put up, shut up, pay taxes and vote.

 

[highlandsflyer]

A ‘home’ is a commodity now more than ever before. The status of a dwelling as a family home, to be “passed through the generations”, has massively diminished over the past few decades.

Capitalism determined this trend, and dictates it must continue.

The level of property related indebtedness in Britain resulted from propaganda and the organised abuse of the credit system.

That cannot be a good thing for this society, yet it is continuing, with those who govern complicit in that.

The erosion of communities has accelerated in tandem with home ownership over these past few decades. No co-incidence.

I can see how the over-encouragement of house buying and market economy for council and community housing may have had a negative impact - but I'm far from sure I buy all of this, has it's root cause in the desire to own property. After all, we are largely hard-wired towards that.

The relatively enormous resources people are putting into property could often be better directed at developing small businesses.

Bogus - not everyone can or should be involved in business.

However, property - as a medium-to-long-term investment, is reasonably sound. Sometimes there's bubbles, sometimes there's some boom and bust, but for most that want a home, and something to show a ways down the line, home-ownership is not the pariah that many - including you - are making it out to be.

The tunnel vision imposed by the prima facie profitability of property ownership stifles other avenues of entrepreneurship.

It's a crock to assume that most would be better served by small business or speculation.

Have you bought and sold property?

Yes - merely one at a time.

You didn't answer my question - do you own property?

Fair play would suggest it is fine to disagree about this, but if you want to suggest I am talking a 'crock' or whatever, at least do me the basic and attend to what I have actually said.

I don't recall having said some of what you suggest.

My statements include "could often be" and "stifles other avenues of entrepreneurship".

There is no suggestion that "everyone can or should be involved in business" in what I have said, nor that "most would be better served by small business or speculation" in my words.

I have never suggest home ownership or the desire to is a negative thing.

I have clearly suggested the intense focus on owning property at any cost is negative, and as this is something I feel has been imposed on most in society, by those with nothing good in mind and by foul means, I am certainly of the opinion it is a bad thing.

The important thing is not the owning of property, it is how one came into it, and how significant the journey was.

In my own lifetime I have seen the transition from generations owning the same farm/croft/townhouse/hotel/business to the constant swapping 'up' and moving on the lust for a crust entails.

Something very beautiful has been destroyed by this.