Ukip candidate: 'Gay donkey tried to rape my horse'

[Mike Muz]

Re:

I can't imagine the donkey 'did the math' :evil: , before trying to rape that horse. How much can you earn as a nativity accessory anyway? I hope he is a full time worker, trotting up and down the beach, laden with people for the other 49 weeks of the year.
Bloody foreign donkeys!

 

[jonnugget69]

I totally understand what you are saying and you have a valid point.

The problem is multi-sided though and has many solutions - obviously instantly paying people more has some immediate issues...like the ensuing stock market collapse and the (next) ensuing global depression.

 

[Bats]

I think you're missing one or two or ten steps between "partial wage reform" and "total collapse of the world's economy". Although if that last bit happened it'd be brilliant because we could stop doing that whole capitalism thing. Anyone up for GOELRO plan?

 

[jonnugget69]

And I think you were missing a few between some more personal responsibility and the total collapse of population and civilisation....

 

[The History Man]

And the donkey?

 

[Bats]

Not really, I pointed them out roughly in the right order.

There's loads and loads and loads and loads of working people on benefits who're also parents. Now if that large and regular supply of babies gets turned off you'd end up with a pretty severe economic timebomb. Remember that babies usually grow up and get jobs and buy stuff.

 

[Bats]

And the donkey?

We can buy it a footstool to reach that horse.

 

[jonnugget69]

Not really, I pointed them out roughly in the right order.

There's loads and loads and loads and loads of working people on benefits who're also parents. Now if that large and regular supply of babies gets turned off you'd end up with a pretty severe economic timebomb. Remember that babies usually grow up and get jobs and buy stuff.

You've also neglected to mention the logical conclusion of your plan, more cash in the economy means higher prices, which disproportionately affects the poor. Never mind the fact that anything other than democratic capitalism seems to lead to totalitarian dictatorship!

Look, I'm not arguing against you, I agree people should be paid more. All I was saying is it is not the only answer.

 

[Bats]

It's not "more cash in the economy", it's the same amount of cash, just coming to people as a wage packet rather than an in-work dole packet. Purchasing power is the same so a wage-price spiral doesn't apply here, even if you accept that particular economic theory as true.

And I don't see how making businesses pay for their workers instead of making the government do it is anti-democratic or anti-capitalist... The point I'm making is actually to remove the parts of the welfare state that are involved in the lives of the employed, and making the capitalists play by their own rules instead. That's a pretty small government, pro-market thing do do.

Now if it happens to pull the rug out under capitalism's feet then it's not my fault. I was playing along!

 

[Chapeau! Velo]

I totally agree with you there, the employer should pay enough so that the employee has enough to provide for his family without having to claim from the government.

That would seem a simple solution, but that will inevitably mean that we all will have to pay more for our goods and services and make some, particularly agricultural and manufacturing (specifically small and medium sized), businesses become globally uncompetitive and would result in job losses here in the UK. This would benefit UKIP as the economic situation would make this nation less attractive to economic migrants!

An alternative to working tax credits could be for govt to directly subsidise some large fixed costs that some working families face - childcare being a classic example.