This is why punters tell me they don't like French wine...

Harryburgundy":ko04kr44 said:
marin man":ko04kr44 said:
Send me a good bottle of chablis up with my frame carl,I will of course pay you for it as well as the postage..... :D

No worries Scotty...shouldn't be too hard to steam a grand Cru label off a box and relabel some Tescos stuff. I'll try and get a box tomorrow...no, BHs and Sunday...Tuesday I reckon

I have seen oz and james :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
The town I grew up in by some stroke of luck was twined with Nuits St. George. I went over a couple of times and one year I stayed with the family of a negociant. Had a huge wine cellar and his own wine tasting / blending premises. Happy days.
 
dbmtb":3q3ju0ew said:
Did you read any of this thread Sylus?.

Yup I understood your saying if you want cheap but good weetabix then buy tesco brand because obviously it comes from Weetabix..when in truth it doesn't.

The adornment of the French when it comes to wine is like the british all speaking like royalty..a myth that some hold onto but enlarge is used more as a publicity tool

France has been mass producing crap wine for export for decades and during that time most wine drinkers have realised this and have moved onto new markets, the australasia's. south american even south african all of which produce some pretty fine and popular wines.

The mass public I suspect have grown wise to the mass produced tat from france (what ever label you want to put on it) and have moved on
 
Blimey Sylus...you really are in your old world :wink: :lol:

With respect, from what experience do you speak? This is not meant to be rude, but do you really have any wine tasting experience other than £5 bottle wines from a supermarket?

What knowledge base forms the logic of your argument?

I'm genuinely interested in your perspective.

There was a time when France did export some pretty bad wines (USA are doing that job today). ...we're going back to the 80's when all that cheap stuff from the Languedoc was about. It was, without doubt, pretty bad.
But the French did recognise this and scrubbed-up about 80% of the vineyard area and concentrated on quality not quantity.
Yes, Chablis did over-sulphur, but that's by-and-large gone.
Burgundy...yup...they did blend their wine with imports from Morocco etc...but that really was a long time ago.

Of course there is still some tat from France, just as there is from any wine producing country...but to suggest France only produces tat is a rather uneducated statement. If you look at New World wineries who are at the high-end and are endeavouring to produce fine wine, where do they take their inspiration? Where do they train? Where do they visit? By and large...France of course.

The biggest detriment to the UK wine market is branding and the mass-volume production branding, by definition, requires. Look anywhere other than a proper wine merchant and what do you see...some old same old branded wines...everywhere. Where are these wines manufactured and bottled?
Well, largely they are produced in the fantastic new markets you speak of. Chile, South Africa et al. Shame...these countries do produce some fantastic wines too but no doubt their reputation will be sullied by the brands.
The supermarkets need massive volumes of the same product...with wine I have heard that is something like a commitment of 2 million bottles for a high selling wine. I'm sure I don't need to spell out how this 'wine' is manufactured.

There is another angle...and I'm guessing this is where you sit.

If you only buy in a supermarket/multi-chain etc, your exposure is going to be seriously limited because of the reasons above. A lot of wine sold here is also not much more than alcopop....over-sweet, over-extracted, over-cleaned with little more than primary fruit flavours on offer. Bubble-gum wines. If I gave you something a bit ...erm...left-field to try like Frank Cornelissens Etna Munjebel to taste, you may well consider if 'off' ...it's a bit mad for sure :lol:

Go on-line and look at a few lists from Independent Wine Merchants and you will see a common theme. The bulk of the list will usually be sourced
from France :wink:
 
Harryburgundy":35wzd0oa said:
Blimey Sylus...you really are in your old world :wink: :lol:

With respect, from what experience do you speak? This is not meant to be rude, but do you really have any wine tasting experience other than £5 bottle wines from a supermarket?

I'd hate to see the rude version..to be honest that statement came over like the type of person who would say the following

(1) I've been a member here longer than you so I know what I'm talking about
(2) I've been driving longer than you so I must be a better driver
(3) I've kissed a lot of frogs so I am well versed in looking for prince's and of course the last example..
(4) my dads bigger than your dad

My experience on wine when I buy a bottle is the only opinion that matters to me as it's my choice with my cash

If I like a wine I'll try it again, If I don't like it I will make a mental note and not buy it again..using that way of experience most of the crap wines I have had ...had a made in France label on them

Other countries sullied by the brands??? sounds like wine snobbery to be honest...a bit like a skoda over a merc..they both do the same and are now just as good a cars but some are obsessed with labels and as such are willing to pay far to much than the car is worth..same for wine

Wine, like all alcohol is subjective..to say someone else has limited appeal because it's from a supermarket and may only cost a fiver seems to explain why people do buy from supermarkets rather than wine dealers..because people do not want wine snobs staring down thier nose at them...sneering at them behind one face whilst taking money off them with the other smiley face

to lambast some one as ...someone who only buys wine for a fiva and even then from a supermarket...just because they are not keen on french wine, may show the ignorant and uninformed person ...is yourself

However knowing that you were .." genuinely interested in my perspective"...I hope that helps
 
Erm... You do know what Carl does for a living, yes? I think he has come across a few duds in his time as well whether from a big house, single village or urine from some antipodean sheep farm. Yes, horses for courses but "wine snob" is a bit strong imo.
 
sylus":2cnew8zz said:
[a skoda over a merc..they both do the same and are now just as good a cars but some are obsessed with labels and as such are willing to pay far to much than the car is worth..same for wine

Just curious - how did you find your way into this group where most of the members are obsessed with bike labels and many pay more than a bike is worth to restore it?'

By your own logic, a 92 carerra Krakatoa that cost £219 in Halfords is just as good a bike as a Stumpy Comp that cost £800 or a Litespeed with XTR that cost £25000.

I'm sure you can see the contradiction yourself and therefore only ride sub-£200 bikes from chainstores, as a matter of principle.
 
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