Something is wrong: Cheap old Cantilever is better than modern cheap V brakes? Top Line 93-94

Obviously, in order to be accepted as a ‘Retrobike’ a bike must have cantilevers (or older braking system).

V-brakes aren’t retro, they’re simply an unnecessary technology, filling a void between cantilevers and hydraulic discs.

Remove them, put them in the bucket of spares at the back of the shed, fit cantilevers and enjoy.
 
I use them on my " modern" touring bike. Mainly because somebody gave me 8 sets of original shimano pads for them....im trying to use them up! 😂
 
Suntour normally, but im not sure that end makes a huge difference. The spring return in some helps with feel mayde a tad.
slr is some kind of progressive cam inside the lever. It boosts leverage/ travel of the brakes as you press the levers. Normal levers like suntour otoh, gives more feedback but less brute force.
M733 levers are tanks and have great ergonomics. They weigh like tanks as well.
 
cantis can be as good as V's , which can be as good as discs, until is is wet and muddy and then discs will be better than v's, which will be better than cantis.
 
In old cantilever levers Slr is just a spring cartridge. (It looks like a plastic coated paracetamol capsule...just in black). You can fit non slr m730 4 finger levers blades straight into m732 4 finger slr clamps. All the spring does is push against you so it feels more controlled and progressive (oh sorry mr shimano..."provides linear response" 🤣)...and obviously gives the cantilevers extra return help as they are not pulling the lever closed.

To facilitate this, all shimano did was drill a dimple in each bit to hold the cartridge in. As soon as you undo the fixed pivot, they fly out😂.

The cantilevers are slightly different as they have 2 hole positions in m732 for the spring to go into. These are marked on the spring cover slr / normal. It just winds the spring pressure up slightly. The only other thing was an upgraded cable and a upgraded brass bushing washer in an attempt to reduce friction in the system.

The suntour solution was to simply add a wound return spring. Levers are half the weight, but does exactly the same thing. But then suntours engineering was always light years ahead of shimano.

Some later adaptions included super slr, slr ev and new super slr, new super evo....the list goes on.

Your correct that some of the latter versions adopted servo wave to create a cable arc that was adjustable, but the old kit was not that complex.
 
In old cantilever levers Slr is just a spring cartridge. (It looks like a plastic coated paracetamol capsule...just in black). You can fit non slr m730 4 finger levers blades straight into m732 4 finger slr clamps. All the spring does is push against you so it feels more controlled and progressive (oh sorry mr shimano..."provides linear response" 🤣)...and obviously gives the cantilevers extra return help as they are not pulling the lever closed.

To facilitate this, all shimano did was drill a dimple in each bit to hold the cartridge in. As soon as you undo the fixed pivot, they fly out😂.

The cantilevers are slightly different as they have 2 hole positions in m732 for the spring to go into. These are marked on the spring cover slr / normal. It just winds the spring pressure up slightly. The only other thing was an upgraded cable and a upgraded brass bushing washer in an attempt to reduce friction in the system.

The suntour solution was to simply add a wound return spring. Levers are half the weight, but does exactly the same thing. But then suntours engineering was always light years ahead of shimano.

Some later adaptions included super slr, slr ev and new super slr, new super evo....the list goes on.

Your correct that some of the latter versions adopted servo wave to create a cable arc that was adjustable, but the old kit was not that complex.
well... you are right.
 
I have to recon that my 93 scott has SD7 V´s late version and I´m looking for the ones that fits the bicycle: The XTR M900 cantilevers but the problem is that the levers are attached to the shifters so I should change everything and will cost lot of money. So ... XTRM900 with othe brake levers or SD7 or Suntour. But I like the performance and precision: no play brake pad touch the rim and are near no play.

The 96 Marin is stock and have the XT V´s. And I like them because the paralelogram as I like the Arch rival for the arch. But I also like cantilevers. I remeber this brake pads of the next photo ... the power was the same as a good set of V´s or disc. The problem was I used in that awfull avid tri align, nice to look at, but a nightmare to setup. Once they are perfect setup with that brake pads and proper brake levers were amazing (with the kooka were a nightmare too, with other normal levers were much better).
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So I like to have every single brake system except one. I would love to have the Roller cam ones, but I don´t like the U brakes. My first MTB (1989) have it and I don´t like it at all (very cheap ones)
 

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