Social workers

[greenstiles]

Charlieboy28 wrote :
''Greenstiles, no one welcomes social services intervention, at least in relation to safeguarding children, especially if as is usually the case they have not asked for it. The nature of the role is that you are in essence saying to someone your parenting at present is inadequate. The process is intrusive it delves into every area of peoples lives, finances, health matters, personal relationships, family history, criminal history, inspecting peoples private homes, looking in the cupboards and freezers, speaking to their family and friends, sharing concerns with education, health etc etc. Who on earth is going to say thank you and i really enjoyed that experience''

If like many have expressed on here, their dealings with SW was not nessesary and all of the above happened.......well no your not going to get any thanks, to be honest i think if there is that level of intrusion where no issue can be proved i think those people deserve compensation !!! a a huge apology.

On the other hand when you do the above and your right and help people I think you should get all the praise you can get. And a bonus.

I know it is the nature of the beast, but if false claims are made and no foul play in found I really think SW should pay for the emotional damage they leave behind.

 

[greenstiles]

And yes Silver claws, send me some of that catnip

 

[silverclaws]

I really think SW should pay for the emotional damage they leave behind.

Me too and like I said, those responsible for the so called satanic abuse cases should be in prison for the damage they did to whole communities, not just the children, but the adults too.

Having learned lessons is just not good enough as all that transpires as is a bit of training, a few extra words in a hand book and stuff the people damaged, they don't matter, but what this travesty has caused, well perhaps more work for SW in the future in those locations as what the authorities did to them will have an affect on their futures.

But another question, if SW is so hard and so full of danger, why is it you still do it ?

Power,
Money,
Conscience

Or the fact that once someone has done all the training to get to where they wanted to be, they find it very difficult to leave it even if they don't like it or and no good at it ?

 

[Charlieboy28]

You mention children a lot and I have noticed it appear to be a fact that when someone want to bludgeon anyone down in anything, it is trot out the children angle every time, but seeing as you are here representing those despised by many, I have a question ;

In everything being for the children, whether it is in truth or not, don't adults matter ?

of course they are you sill monkey you.

its not the "children's angle" its what i do, i cant really comment for adult social workers, they all smoke pipes wear sandals and beards and are a bit weird, even some of the men ones

the welfare of the child is paramount . The overarching principle of the Children Act (1989) you see. But then the act also recognises that children are best raised, their welfare needs are best met if you like, by their own family where possible . In supporting the adults in helping them achieve positive change you are improving the situation for the child also. That is what the main focus of your work is. So if i want to achieve the best for that child bearing in mind their welfare is paramount, and that their welfare needs are best met by family. it would be rather silly of me to go upsetting the adults involved if i truly wanted to do the best for that child. although you need to bear in mind this is what happend in baby peters case, the worker focussed exclusively on the mother, ignored the males on the scene and lost sight of the child

 

[Charlieboy28]

Charlieboy28 wrote :
''Greenstiles, no one welcomes social services intervention, at least in relation to safeguarding children, especially if as is usually the case they have not asked for it. The nature of the role is that you are in essence saying to someone your parenting at present is inadequate. The process is intrusive it delves into every area of peoples lives, finances, health matters, personal relationships, family history, criminal history, inspecting peoples private homes, looking in the cupboards and freezers, speaking to their family and friends, sharing concerns with education, health etc etc. Who on earth is going to say thank you and i really enjoyed that experience''

If like many have expressed on here, their dealings with SW was not nessesary and all of the above happened.......well no your not going to get any thanks, to be honest i think if there is that level of intrusion where no issue can be proved i think those people deserve compensation !!! a a huge apology.

On the other hand when you do the above and your right and help people I think you should get all the praise you can get. And a bonus.

I know it is the nature of the beast, but if false claims are made and no foul play in found I really think SW should pay for the emotional damage they leave behind.

you recieve a referral you have a duty to act, so you have to go through the above described intrusive process. often we get malicious calls, they still have to be evidenced as such.

"I know it is the nature of the beast, but if false claims are made and no foul play in found I really think SW should pay for the emotional damage they leave behind"

so by the same token someone found innocent in court should be recompensed for being accused it wouldnt work, All you would achieve is that SW would be unable to investigate for fear of being sued and so children would be abused and killed

 

[Charlieboy28]

Becasue i love what i do, i still have a fire in my belly for it after 10 years of frontline work and nearly 20 years working in social care

because every day is different , every day brings a challenge and a reward, because, excuse the cliche i get to make a difference. because sometimes i get to do some good. because sometimes i bump into young people years later in the street , kids who have been involved in drugs, prostitution, gangs, abuse and they hug me and tell me they are now at college or uni even (in only one case sadly) Because i cant think of anything else i would rather do at all, because i think there is no job like it. Because, and this is where it gets selfish, im proud of the job that i do and it makes me feel good about myself. Becasue if i wasnt doing it some power crazy issue laden monkey may get that case and some poor child would end up with a crappy outcome or removed, or some shite assessment would fail to uncover the abuse a child is experiencing. I could go on

 

[silverclaws]

You mention children a lot and I have noticed it appear to be a fact that when someone want to bludgeon anyone down in anything, it is trot out the children angle every time, but seeing as you are here representing those despised by many, I have a question ;

In everything being for the children, whether it is in truth or not, don't adults matter ?

of course they are you sill monkey you.

its not the "children's angle" its what i do, i cant really comment for adult social workers, they all smoke pipes wear sandals and beards and are a bit weird, even some of the men ones

the welfare of the child is paramount . The overarching principle of the Children Act (1989) you see. But then the act also recognises that children are best raised, their welfare needs are best met if you like, by their own family where possible . In supporting the adults in helping them achieve positive change you are improving the situation for the child also. That is what the main focus of your work is. So if i want to achieve the best for that child bearing in mind their welfare is paramount, and that their welfare needs are best met by family. it would be rather silly of me to go upsetting the adults involved if i truly wanted to do the best for that child. although you need to bear in mind this is what happend in baby peters case, the worker focussed exclusively on the mother, ignored the males on the scene and lost sight of the child

Well, you say adults matter and then go on to bring up the Children Act of 1989, yet no Act for adults, so is it adults matter in truth, or is it adults in reality don't matter because there is no act of law that makes adults matter ?

Now you may understand I am largely a negative person, I would be inclined to agree with that, I was not always so, but I have reason to be and the vast majority of that is because of the actions of well meaning authority just doing their job as so many times they have told me that, to which I have always asked, is it that I am owned so that authority may do it's job.

Now it is that I am a single near middle aged unemployed male, a divorcee who has been declared unemployable and that because I have a different way of thinking no one is interested in helping beyond the age of eighteen and know it a lot of adults do need help with this thing from time to time as the prison population sadly displays, for it is a fact many who get convicted also get diagnosed in those institutions there adequately indicating society and there the professionals failure with people. Now I understand fully the reason for that failure, because I have heard it so many times, ;

there's not the money, so although we would like to help, we can't

Also politics plays an unhealthy part too, for children are born with this difference, but the money is there to help them, professionals are so eager to dip into the pot of honey but conveniently forget them when they reach eighteen when the money simply isn't there anymore, where the confusion and misunderstanding these people experience goes on to attract the attention of the police and ostracisation from society further adding to their problems.

Depression also features much amongst these people, and I am again in it, but the fury I feel, I keep in check by becoming reclusive, that is seeing no one for sometimes weeks on end until the frustration has passed, but because of my self defence mechanism to keep me from the attention of the law, I tend to ignore everything and so this morning I have some success in repelling bailiffs, by simply appearing not to be in, despite my traitorous neighbours telling them what they wanted to know, I heard that, stupid oldies who don't understand friend from foe and ignore my wishes, for I have told them, if I don't answer the door, it is because I do not wish to be disturbed.

But, it is my sad observation society though it says it cares, in reality, it does not and that because there isn't the money unless one is part of some selected protected by act of parliament group, the rest outside of that, well they are detritus on the shoe of society, that is not wanted, and don't I feel it.

 

[greenstiles]

Rules can be changed to allow compensation to go to parties who rightly deseve it. SW wouldn't have to be sued personally.

You can't just turn someones life upside down and just walk away if nothing is found, it is wrong.

 

[greenstiles]

I think in a nut shell the public would like to see more accountability when thing go wrong.

 

[highlandsflyer]

I really must be getting old. I haven't stomped back into this thread swinging an axe.

There really is nothing to be had from getting upset about the general public having no time for your profession.

Purely a public relations issue.

My sister in law began as a Traffic Warden, before moving on to the Met.

Thank god she never took criticism to heart.