Social workers

[greenstiles]

It's just opinions buddy....there's been no nasty stuff ...bit of off the cuff, but unless people air their oppinions how can we ever learn about others experiences and go away with food for thought and become better for it. Your call though.

 

[Charlieboy28]

Charlieboy28 that was quite an extreme defensive reaction before.......from the psychology i'f done i'd say your defensive reaction was due to some guilt in your past or past deed you have not come to terms with, thus reacting to the over whelming opinions of real people to try and justyfy your thoughts and feelings.

The above is pure bull sh*t (of course), but by it we can see how social workers take an inch and turn it into a mile...........or on the other side of things, like all the real social workers i was with said, '' if it's too hot to handle and their not legally obliged to do anything, they would rather stay out of it. Is that really in the best interests of their clients ???

I said at the beginning for those of you who chose to ignore it. Most social workers..........the above opinions are not from Sun readers, so don't try and belittle or bully their intellegence of which they have obviously forged their oppinions from real life, not just a set of instructions and tick lists you follow on social worker training.

I would agree your grasp of psychology is pure bullshit, as is your understanding as to why people become social workers.

the rest is again so embarrassingly ignorant its laughable. right have a look at the Children Act (1989), as it appears you seem to be confused about the legal definitions of duties and responsibilities. you also fail to appreciate that it is not down to the SW who wants to act, but the budget holders who refuse to fund

have a google of the rise of managerialism and risk averse practice in social work, as i cant be arsed to try to explain to you why current practice is why it is, but is hopefully now changing. A lot if it is to do with sun readers like yourself though

you see it is clear that you just dont get it, as with the above link , perhaps at some point that poor woman mentioned to her GP some passing (easily overlooked) comment, "such as i cant go on life is hopeless etc etc", things he hears every day, he looked at a middle class, beautiful successful woman and didnt make the referral to social services and look at the result. these are the judgement calls we have to make on a daily basis, im happy to get things wrong for the right reasons

why not go start a thread on your so insightful observations, beginning most black people, most gay people or some other retarded nonesense, it really is pathetic for a man whp professes to have some intelligence

Im proud to be a social worker and will defend the profession all day long from people who just cant get what we do or how difficult it is

 

[Charlieboy28]

Charlieboy28 we can't all be taking about the same 1 bad social worker !

And on the one hand your saying, don't believe this newspaper, then your quoting another !!!........what about real accounts of real happenings of forum members ? don't they count ?.........it's not what they have read, it's real events in real peoples lives :roll: that people were mentioning.

erm i thought i answered that, the process worked perfectly , and the other real life example is from a brother who has fallen out with his sibling.

i think there is a large degree of jealously here also, did you feel very unimportant at your training dear

 

[Charlieboy28]

Just as steam trains attract mostly eccentrics...so does social worker jobs attract a lot (not all)' broken fixers '.........it's very noticable......time to face the truth

Yes we need them ihavn't said other wise, but i think their personality types can be quite damaging in the line of work they do.................the fixers need to be fixed 1st , we need professionals who have done searching their own demons so they can help others lives objectively

what sort of nonsense is this, you know why do mechanics become mechanics, why do drs become drs, why do police become police, it really is garbage greenstiles

 

[taffy]

i think there is a large degree of jealously here also, did you feel very unimportant at your training dear

it was a reasnably mature argument from you till that - a bit well childish.

I base my opinion on them form my personal experience with them and my laughable and stressful one form their professional standpoint.
Like coppers there re some outstanding ones ad let's be honest come right cnuts - a few will tip the balance against the rest. Sadly ive only come across ones that re enforce the "daily mial/sun" opinion. Sadly there are too many fringe elements of "social work" which negatively impact upon the professional one (i.e people who work with, do similar jobs but are not social workers but will use the title)

everyone is entitled to theirt opinion - a friend other half made that mistake when she asked me what i though of SW's and i told her the truth and she looked nonplussed turns oput she'd done some nursury school social work esque course and thought she was da beez kneez.

 

[Jamiedyer]

greenstiles wrote:

It's just opinions buddy....there's been no nasty stuff ...bit of off the cuff, but unless people air their oppinions how can we ever learn about others experiences and go away with food for thought and become better for it. Your call though.

I know mate, I just thought I dont have the experience of social workers to really have any valid pionts to add to this discussion and realised my joke may have caused a bit of offense to some posters.
I am all for the valid discussion and a bit of heated discourse, if constructive, is often how we learn through hearing others opinions and views. I didnt see my joke as constructive to this discussion.
You guys go for it though but just respect each others opinions.

Jamie

 

[Charlieboy28]

i think there is a large degree of jealously here also, did you feel very unimportant at your training dear

it was a reasnably mature argument from you till that - a bit well childish.

I base my opinion on them form my personal experience with them and my laughable and stressful one form their professional standpoint.
Like coppers there re some outstanding ones ad let's be honest come right cnuts - a few will tip the balance against the rest. Sadly ive only come across ones that re enforce the "daily mial/sun" opinion. Sadly there are too many fringe elements of "social work" which negatively impact upon the professional one (i.e people who work with, do similar jobs but are not social workers but will use the title)

everyone is entitled to theirt opinion - a friend other half made that mistake when she asked me what i though of SW's and i told her the truth and she looked nonplussed turns oput she'd done some nursury school social work esque course and thought she was da beez kneez.

meet like with like i say Taffy , if greenstiles's comments so far have been reasonably mature i really would not like to see him being childish.

Only social workers can call themselves social workers it is a protected title, it is a criminal offence to call yourself a SW if you are not one. you had a bad experience with one SW, i fully respect your opinion. Feedback from service users is what we should be judged on, and not ticking boxes and timescales. Hopefully if Munro's recommendations are implemented social work will become the profession it can and should be.

if i received a referral from a GP regarding his concerns regarding post natal depression( of which he must see thousands of women per year) i would be fooloish to disregard them, i appreciate it must have been a horrendous experience for you, but it was done for the right reasons, namely to protect children

 

[greenstiles]

Charlieboy28 it was a good discussion, but sadly you have gone overboard with an insulting attitude, so I don't feel I can converse with you any more.

I was hoping that it would stay an open debate, but as you have tried to imply sexual abuse and racism to people who don't like the way most social workers do their job, I think it's time to step away from you.

On a final note I would like to add that lots of people hide within organizations hoping that by helping others, they might gain relief from their own issues, this is not just social workers, but drug rehab, alcohol rehab etc etc.

I think this issue is known and hopfully in the future people will be vetted more carefully on the the state of their mental health and un-healthy behaviors that may impact on the vunerable people that they may come into contact with.

 

[taffy]

But if your the professional and sticking too it should you not be stooping to greenstiles amateur "Daily mail/the sun" broad brush strokes negative opinion?

if i received a referral from a GP regarding his concerns regarding post natal depression( of which he must see thousands of women per year) i would be fooloish to disregard them, i appreciate it must have been a horrendous experience for you, but it was done for the right reasons, namely to protect children

It wasn't though, the GP in question left, in a rush under a cloud - serves her right.
he referral was not for CP but for some "general help", a poor referral misinterpreted and badly carried on with both the dr and social services made errors and mistakes. Te Sw's line manager was at lease sensible enough to hold his hands up to that.


I know a few who label themselves under the title of social worker rightly or wrongly - most likely wrongly as they work in that area but are not Sw's themselves

 

[Charlieboy28]

Charlieboy28 it was a good discussion, but sadly you have gone overboard with an insulting attitude, so I don't feel I can converse with you any more.

I was hoping that it would stay an open debate, but as you have tried to imply sexual abuse and racism to people who don't like the way most social workers do their job, I think it's time to step away from you.

On a final note I would like to add that lots of people hide within organizations hoping that by helping others, they might gain relief from their own issues, this is not just social workers, but drug rehab, alcohol rehab etc etc.

I think this issue is known and hopfully in the future people will be vetted more carefully on the the state of their mental health and un-healthy behaviors that may impact on the vunerable people that they may come into contact with.

It was never a good discussion it was fundamentally floored from the outset Greenstiles hence the examples i provided to compare your use of the words most , to help you put into perspective how much utter nonsense it was to begin a debate with most social workers, its the same as saying most black people, most women, most any group its just pointless and inane. step away all you like, but i dont think your feeble attempt at reclaiming the moral high ground has been very successful myself

erm dont get the sexual abuse bit.

and as for it being common knowledge that SW have mental health issues( work related stress aside) and behaviours, i think you need to have it on the front page of the sun, as i have never seeen it or heard of it before.

there is no other profession so heavily regulated than social work