Social workers

[taffy]

oh dear oh dear oh dear, what a load of ignorant generalised nonsense is being spouted here by people who obviously havent the slightest clue what social work is, or does as a profession.

I hear the same old shite from sun readers and people who routinely abuse their children (often one and the same thing) and refuse to accept that what they are doing is wrong.


come and work on a front line safeguarding team in Birmingham for a while and you will see what the job is all about. oh and if you had involvement with social services their is usually a very good reason for it. Get over it and take on board the advice and support from expert professional social workers being offered i say

I'll take that with a large pinch of salt ta.

My sad and sorry excuse cam about because of a now long gone GP making unwanted and unwarranted decisions based on "helping".

However once the SS are involved you cant tell them to "bob off and mind their own beeswax" - tends to make them even more anxious to "do good". In my case we wnrt along wiht the friendly worker till the bombshell was dropped about putting our unborn child on the CPR and if we didn't like it it would be taken away from birth and put into care. Now if my missus wasn't a school nurse, my mother a school nurse and the fact we have some very helpful and resourceful friends and taken it to a case conference well prepared it's likely that would have happened - once the social services machine is moving - albeit slowly it's very hard to stop or change direction.

Come the case conference my partner and i turned up with some 6 professionals who had been involved and knew us who couldn't understand what was happening and why we were there - even our GP (and I'm reliably told GP's don't attend these very often if at all. - this is our regular GP, known them for over 10 years GP - not the now long gone in a hurry GP that made the referral)

And you know what - every single shred of flimsy evidence was blown out of the water - most people started with the "well i don't know why we are here for this.."
it was a supremely traumatic and highly stressful time of my life and i was so throughly glad it was over.

And you know what - social services were and are so concerned about it all we've not seen hide nor hair of them since - there is dedication for you.

 

[Charlieboy28]

oh dear oh dear oh dear, what a load of ignorant generalised nonsense is being spouted here by people who obviously havent the slightest clue what social work is, or does as a profession.

I hear the same old shite from sun readers and people who routinely abuse their children (often one and the same thing) and refuse to accept that what they are doing is wrong.


come and work on a front line safeguarding team in Birmingham for a while and you will see what the job is all about. oh and if you had involvement with social services their is usually a very good reason for it. Get over it and take on board the advice and support from expert professional social workers being offered i say

I'll take that with a large pinch of salt ta.

My sad and sorry excuse cam about because of a now long gone GP making unwanted and unwarranted decisions based on "helping".

However once the SS are involved you cant tell them to "bob off and mind their own beeswax" - tends to make them even more anxious to "do good". In my case we wnrt along wiht the friendly worker till the bombshell was dropped about putting our unborn child on the CPR and if we didn't like it it would be taken away from birth and put into care. Now if my missus wasn't a school nurse, my mother a school nurse and the fact we have some very helpful and resourceful friends and taken it to a case conference well prepared it's likely that would have happened - once the social services machine is moving - albeit slowly it's very hard to stop or change direction.

Come the case conference my partner and i turned up with some 6 professionals who had been involved and knew us who couldn't understand what was happening and why we were there - even our GP (and I'm reliably told GP's don't attend these very often if at all. - this is our regular GP, known them for over 10 years GP - not the now long gone in a hurry GP that made the referral)

And you know what - every single shred of flimsy evidence was blown out of the water - most people started with the "well i don't know why we are here for this.."
it was a supremely traumatic and highly stressful time of my life and i was so throughly glad it was over.

And you know what - social services were and are so concerned about it all we've not seen hide nor hair of them since - there is dedication for you.

and your point is?

what you experienced is the whole point of a case conference, it did its job, the threshold was not met and there was no further role for social services?

its my opinion that the way you are left feeling is due to the stigma and shame you perceive for having being involved with social services, not anything they have done wrong

you experience a crime go to the police, you are ill go to the doctor , if there are complex social issues, family difficulties etc, go to social workers who are expert in that field for help and support, there is no shame in that, all families have their ups and downs. To me there is no stigma. if a child is made subject to a CP plan it means i can access more services and resources for a child and family, there are more checks and balances in place to ensure that I am doing my job.People do not understand that that is the point of the CP process.
As you have said the SW has to satisfy a multiprofessional meeting that there is cause for concern or that a family requires support. That is one of the checks and balances of the safeguarding process

 

[Charlieboy28]

oh dear oh dear oh dear, what a load of ignorant generalised nonsense is being spouted here by people who obviously havent the slightest clue what social work is, or does as a profession.

I hear the same old shite from sun readers and people who routinely abuse their children (often one and the same thing) and refuse to accept that what they are doing is wrong.


come and work on a front line safeguarding team in Birmingham for a while and you will see what the job is all about. oh and if you had involvement with social services their is usually a very good reason for it. Get over it and take on board the advice and support from expert professional social workers being offered i say

I'll take that with a large pinch of salt ta.

My sad and sorry excuse cam about because of a now long gone GP making unwanted and unwarranted decisions based on "helping".

However once the SS are involved you cant tell them to "bob off and mind their own beeswax" - tends to make them even more anxious to "do good". In my case we wnrt along wiht the friendly worker till the bombshell was dropped about putting our unborn child on the CPR and if we didn't like it it would be taken away from birth and put into care. .

See that is just bad practice, and completely untrue and an abuse of power , i cant make any excuse for that . certain SWs rely on peoples ignorance of the law to make their own job easier.

you should have said bring it on. court is a good thing, its another check and balance you see, it empowers the service user and disempowers the SW and Local authority, makes things a lot more even

it is not what happens, if there is the view that they concerns are so great that they can not be adequately addressed via CP you take a case to court. Thresholds there are far more difficult to prove. both parties are represented and a decision is made by a judge, extensive reports assessments etc etc are orderered to be undertaken by independent persons. Its similar to a criminal trial. SWs do not get an easy time in court at all.

oh and the LA would have spent thousands bringing the case to court, and would have been laughed out of the building ( severely reprimanded) and told to do their job properly

 

[Barneyballbags]

I think a lot of the cases where Social Workers 'appear' to be doing nothing, or doing a bad job is down in no small part to the sheer amount of red tape, policies and procedures that they have to deal with on a daily basis - most of which stand in the way of good old fashioned common sense.

I worked for a Community Mental Health Team, which had it's own team of Social Workers. You would not believe the hoops that they had to jump through, and the paperwork that they had to complete for absolutely everything that they did.

I for one think they do a fantastic job, given the s**t that they have to put up with every day.

 

[taffy]

really?

everyone at the case conference - and most certainly the chair could not understand wht it ahd been forced tot hat point

To the point where the chair did remind us of out option to pursue a legal case against social services for the supreme stess invold for us. to the point where the social workers a manger realized the massive Fk up for getting it there - post natla depression and depression and being worried about money (umm hands up who doesn't here atm ?) is not the right reason for wanting to put a child on the register. especially where both my and my partner had seen situations in professional and personal life where such help was desperately needed and utterly failed to be provided.

The whole case was a farce and a massive amount of stress was generated by a dimwitted GP and a social worker with a very very narrow view on how people should live and raise children.

there are good social workers out there i am sure, if i ever meet one i'll be sure to know. there are however many many who are less balanced in their outlook and of other people.

I'm not ashamed of what happened to me if i'd have been the type to sell it to the sun of daily fascist i would have but i'm not that way inclined at all.

tee need is there - the way it is filled and the way it is handled is sadly lacking.

 

[Charlieboy28]

so put it down to a bad experience with an individual social worker , dont support ignorant sweeping statements that condemn all social workers as flakey looneys , as that is just nonesense.

have a google of mothers with post natal depression who have been left without support and taken theirs and their children's lives.

just one example of thousands out there

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... claim.html

Im not saying this is anything like your case, the human condition is so massively complex, and SW have to make judgement calls of this magnitude on a daily basis while working in a climate of fear that we will be the next ones on the front of the Scum newspaper .

I have worked with families from all, classes professions and walks of life

I for one would rather put a family through the so called stress of a CP conference, and in doing so potentially protect a child, than to risk doing nothing.

 

[greenstiles]

Charlieboy28 that was quite an extreme defensive reaction before.......from the psychology i'f done I could say your defensive reaction was due to some guilt in your past or past deed you have not come to terms with, thus reacting to the over whelming opinions of real people to try and justyfy your thoughts and feelings.

The above i wrote is pure bull sh*t (of course), but by it we can see how social workers take an inch and turn it into a mile...........or on the other side of things, like all the real social workers i was with said, '' if it's too hot to handle and their not legally obliged to do anything, they would rather stay out of it. Is that really in the best interests of their clients ??? I was shocked.

I said at the beginning for those of you who chose to ignore it. Most social workers..........the above opinions are not from Sun readers, so don't try and belittle or bully their intellegence of which they have obviously forged their oppinions from real life, not just a set of instructions and tick lists you follow on social worker training.

 

[greenstiles]

Charlieboy28 we can't all be taking about the same 1 bad social worker !

And on the one hand your saying, don't believe this newspaper, then your quoting another !!!........what about real accounts of real happenings of forum members ? don't they count ?.........it's not what they have read, it's real events in real peoples lives :roll: that people were mentioning.

 

[greenstiles]

Just as steam trains attract mostly eccentrics...so does social worker jobs attract a lot (not all)' broken fixers '.........it's very noticable......time to face the truth

Yes we need them ihavn't said other wise, but i think their personality types can be quite damaging in the line of work they do.................the fixers need to be fixed 1st , we need professionals who have done searching their own demons so they can help others lives objectively

 

[Jamiedyer]

Removed

I will now remove my joke on the previous page.
It was a joke and while not having anywhere near the experience as some on these threads, it was meant as a light hearted joke to lighten the mood, certainly with no offense or disrespect to those who work in that proffession. The way this thread is degenerating and the tone towards each other is not something I need or want to be a part of.

Jamie