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[clubby]

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Aaw right I'll come clean, its not the bike its the bars they just defy logic :?

I can see for non technical long rides they would be good, but for me I'd like less angled back sweep and more width.
Agree with Barry about the pricing btw. Unfortunately that just the way with low volume niche products. Same could be said of MTB products on the whole though. And don't even get me started on fat bike tyres :evil:

 

[old_coyote_pedaller]

So are you telling us you don't buy into the full Jones theory?

Not the full theory, no. Not for me and the riding I do.
Don't get me wrong, the handling is great. It's agile at low speed but still stable going fast and it's very confidence inspiring on steep trails. However, I feel the one size fits all approach, doesn't. I can't be the only one, as the new Jones come in two different lengths. It may just be my proportions, I've short legs/long torso. The spaceframe design means putting the seat up also pushes it back making it longer, but also slackens the effective seat tube angle. This gave me knee pain pedalling and because I need the ebb adjusted to tension the hub gear chain, it reduces the adjustment I have. Moving the seat forward on the rails helps but shortens reach, which was already short due to my body length. This is exacerbated by the large sweep bringing the bars closer, but still being relatively narrow. With a 90mm stem the sweep brought my hands back to near the steerer. The best hand position for me was on the Y where the bars met. This gave good reach but was relatively narrow and also away from the controls. I also found the sweep lessened control in tight trails and awkward climbing out of the saddle on steep climbs.
The new set up has a shorter stem but much wider bars. This keeps my weight back as per Jeffs theory on the loop bars, but the extra width gives me a more comfortable riding position. It also feels better honking out of the saddle.
All that said I've still to test the set up in anger and may well be backtracking this time next week But that's all part of the fun.

Wouldn't call what I paid bargain basement FFTC, but certainly well below retail.

So it's no bollocks then, it's marketing bullshit.

There's a valid reason bikes are made in different sizes, WE, the riders, are all different sizes/shapes. Seems from your reply that there are lots of negatives regarding the effects of it's one size fits all adjustability, so many that it just doesn't work.

I always find it difficult to take the blurb seriously that comes from the people that are trying to convince you to buy their product. Especially at kick-in-the-nads level prices.

 

[clubby]

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I wouldn't call it marketing, Jeff just does things differently. It's a small company making a low volume product. I don't imagine he's making a fortune at it. Can't be many companies when you mail them about setting up a secondhand bike and the company owner mails you back the same day. He genuinely believes in his products.

 

[old_coyote_pedaller]

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I wouldn't call it marketing, Jeff just does things differently. It's a small company making a low volume product. I don't imagine he's making a fortune at it. Can't be many companies when you mail them about setting up a secondhand bike and the company owner mails you back the same day. He genuinely believes in his products.

I'm sure he does, the people who dispense homeopathy crap also believe in it, doesn't make it work.

 

[kaiser]

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In defence of the Jones, I don't think he's ever said one size fits all but fits many. One of the principles behind the bike is a more upright riding position. This really is less dependant on accurate sizing, because the angle between your arms and torso is more acute than a regular mtb a standard top tube length with stem and post swaps can accommodate normal sized people. Velo and Jamie need not apply. He does make some very convincing videos arguing his case, certainly worth a look.

 

[old_coyote_pedaller]

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In defence of the Jones, I don't think he's ever said one size fits all but fits many. One of the principles behind the bike is a more upright riding position. This really is less dependant on accurate sizing, because the angle between your arms and torso is more acute than a regular mtb a standard top tube length with stem and post swaps can accommodate normal sized people. Velo and Jamie need not apply. He does make some very convincing videos arguing his case, certainly worth a look.

So basically anybody between these different size ranges?

 

[Jamiedyer]

Kaiser wrote:

Velo and Jamie need not apply

How dare you sir :!: :shock:

RobMac wrote:

Aaw right I'll come clean, its not the bike its the bars they just defy logic :?

Clubby wrote:
I can see for non technical long rides they would be good, but for me I'd like less angled back sweep and more width.
Agree with Barry about the pricing btw. Unfortunately that just the way with low volume niche products. Same could be said of MTB products on the whole though. And don't even get me started on fat bike tyres :evil:

I don't quite agree about the niche stuff, as he does clearly bring a premium to anything Jones branded. Both my Pugs and my 1X1 I have ran the Titec H bars, which were licenced from Jones. At the time he only produced Ti bars and so the Aluminium bars were licenced to Titec, most likely built in the same factory. Titec bars retailed for £63 and I bought one of the last pairs from Jelle at singlespeed central a few years back. Jones decided he would now make the alu bars and so withdrew the licence. Bars are still made in the same factory so don't buy into tooling cost type bullshit and then branded Jones. Only difference was overnight the price went to a retail of £105!
I just don't buy into the Jones are so expensive because he is a niche maker. He sells plenty of volume of frames around the world and they are made in the same Taiwanese factories as everyone else yet a steel frame price is astronomical. Each to his own and there is a market for everything but its been a long time since Jones was a poor bloke making low volume niche machines. They are his designs and quite nice I believe, especially the truss forks but I don't buy into the bollocks associated with it.

Jamie

 

[RobMac]

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I've deleted the bunfight.

 

[kaiser]

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A so it twas that Jeff Jones came to Retrobike. Good move Rob.

 

[clubby]

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A so it twas that Jeff Jones came to Retrobike.

And was quickly shown a good kick to the nads.