another to chim in on the charge's...
I have 2 vetta SL's (1 cromo, 1 ti) and they are pretty good, but have been using a flite for... well ages, and it has hurt my rear the entire time. last month I gave in, got a spoon from wiggle, the 1st 50m hurt jsut like the flite, then I never noticed it again. Very very good. spoon>vetta sl>>>> flite (for my butt anyway)