Reynolds tubing weights? (now with 'SOLVED' frame ID query)

[onegoodbike]

Morning,

Can anyone here point me in the direction of a website that will give me frameset/tubeset weights for Reynolds tubing. I've picked up a bike that purports to be 653 and i'd like to find out what the weights should be for a 22" frame and forks.

Cheers Matt

 

[Midlife]

Re: Reynolds tubing weights?

http://www.equusbicycle.com/bike/reynol ... ochure.htm

There are quite a few charts like the above but it's probably easier to actually weigh a frame. If I remember right a good 531 frame should weigh about 4lb (two bags of sugar in old currency) without forks.

Shaun

 

[Midlife]

Re: Reynolds tubing weights?

Quick weigh of the two 23" frames nearest the garage door (no forks) show bog standard 531 at 2.2 kg and a 531 pro at 1.9 kg. Fork weights are really quite fork crown dependent.

Shaun

 

[onegoodbike]

Re:

Thanks Shaun, I've come across the equusbicycle charts before, it's a pity they don't seem to include 653 weights.
I also have a 531 pro frame, an 80's example, that weighs in at around the 1900gram mark.The frame that I'm researching weighs exactly 1900grams and is 22" c-c.
Am I right in thinking that the 653 tubeset replaced 531 pro at some point in the late 80's?.

Regards Matt

 

[Midlife]

Re: Reynolds tubing weights?

I think the 653 frame set of mixed tubes was an attempt to alter the frame characteristics rather than the weight. How it came about seems to be more of an urban myth than anything else.

I'm just glad it happened after my time so I can plead ignorance

As it's a mixed tube set I'm not sure weighing it will nail the tubeset ?

Just out of curiosity what frame is it.

Shaun

 

[onegoodbike]

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That's the nub of my issue, I'm not entirely sure . I'm leaning towards mid 90's upper-range Peugeot, due to build similarities, but there are no transfers (other than the 653 transfer) to confirm this. I'm trying to track down an example of their frame numbering at the moment to provide confirmation, but no joy so far.

 

[Midlife]

Re: Reynolds tubing weights?

Peugeot Athena in a garish colour scheme?

Shaun

 

[onegoodbike]

Re:

No such luck Shaun, it's had a respray as you can see below.
It's got the under top tube cable guides, rear brake bridge, shot-in stays, two bottle cage mounts and rear dropouts that i'd associate with the Athena model, and the frame number begins with a Y, which I believe is common to pugs.
On the downside the lugs have cutouts, there are cable guides on the headtube and the fork crown is not one that I can find on any Peugeot catalogue scan. So I'm not really sure what it might be, any ideas?.

Matt

 

[Chat Noir]

Re: Reynolds tubing weights? (now with frame ID query)

Had a quick look at some of my frames. The Peugeot 653 serial number begins with a Y and then a 0, indicating produced in 1990, corresponding with the catalogues. This link should take you to the relevant copies. http://cyclespeugeot.com/Catalogs.html

This was the 'garish' purple, Athena groupset, fantastic bike. The pump pip, chain pip, blow holes in the tubes, cable guides, brake bridge all look similar to yours, but the lugs on mine don't have any cutouts, in a spearpoint style, and the forks look different. The drop outs were chromed and 'Simplex' written on them. Afraid don't recall stripped down weight, but know that my 753 frames both weigh in the 1700 gm range (58 cm) and don't think 653 much heavier. They didn't use 653 tubing for very long. FWIW I do find the forks a little more forgiving than 753.

I also have two Peugeot 531 Pros, serial numbers begin with Y then 8, indicating 1988. Similar frame detail as described above, and they only made these for year or two.

Good luck.

 

[otherself]

Re: Re:

No such luck Shaun, it's had a respray as you can see below.
It's got the under top tube cable guides, rear brake bridge, shot-in stays, two bottle cage mounts and rear dropouts that i'd associate with the Athena model, and the frame number begins with a Y, which I believe is common to pugs.
On the downside the lugs have cutouts, there are cable guides on the headtube and the fork crown is not one that I can find on any Peugeot catalogue scan. So I'm not really sure what it might be, any ideas?.

Matt

That frame looks italian, especially the sloping fork crown and lack of chainstay bridge. It could be Dedacciai or Columbus tubing. Have you measured the tubes with a vernier?